Profile of Deeptrance83

I think it's excellent that no player is ever out of the game until the VPs hit 0. That's way more exciting than in vCoH where if you get behind you're seriously screwed unless the you sacrifice a virgin to the RNG gods AND your opponent makes multiple serious blunders.

Deeptrance, you aren't alone in your ability to enjoy the game.

Thank you! You summed exactly how I feel about that quite nicely.

just to also say it:

straw man argument (the part about coh2 being a different game).


let's put it this way: i played a game in beta where i lost pretty much my entire army twice over. i literally had maybe a gren squad and a pio squad left, no vet. my opponent had everything, at guns, mortars, vetted conscripts, T-34s, the whole map safe for 1 strat point outside my base... everything. yet, with the amount of manpower i did get (and the little fuel that i had, i managed to get a pak and a stug i think simultaneously , right when he decided to rush his T-34s into my base. Also, a blizzard hit. needless to say, about 5 minutes later i was looking at the "VICTORY" screen, because my fresh, unvetted units shit all over his vetted squads that were freezing in the blizzard and were hurt from prior engagements.

i felt sorry for the guy, but i guess this is what coh2 has come to, no matter how far ahead you are, you can always lose everything in a heartbeat.

How is my argument straw man? Is CoH2 a remake of vCoH??
Anyway, I agree with your second part. Looks like your opponent got way over confident and over stretched his lines. That's GREAT in my opinion. It's much less arcade like. It's a lot less "super squad/units of death" and more about the meta game of how you manage your armies maneuvers. The tactic of the whole battle as opposed to individual engagements. What's funny is the way you described that battles reminds me of the way the Nazi army lost to the Red army outside of Moscow and was eventually soundly beaten. Same way in Stalingrad. But how do you see the mechanics of your example as an actual "punishment"?

@Basilone
- No I would not like that Battlefield...but how is your fantasy comparable to our discussion here? I don't see the link. Other than the rate of income flow and the obvious need for buffs and nerfs to unit balance, there isn't such a dramatic shift in the complete CoH experience. Which is sort of my overall, underlying point here...

Again, like I've said before...think what you will, it's no difference to me for I know I'll never change opinion here. I have just been trying to shine a little light from a different, more optimistic perspective. But since that's against the majority here, I'm wrong...that's how it goes, right?

by your definition of evolution, it would also be evolution if they re-made pac man and called it coh2.

This logic smacks of the Straw man.
So you're saying that CoH2 is not going to be a competitive game by design?

The difference betwen a classic and a usual , consumable, and at the end ''very futile game'' is specially how there is to learn, the time it takes to master and to try to acces to competitive class of player.

Most games .... (i wont named them all but there are surely a majority) are deseign to play temporarly while another is coming. This is NOT evolution its simply a cheap way to satisfy the apetite created by a classic.

This is my opinion of CoH2 compared to vanilla.

It's too bad you see the upcoming game as some sort of cheap trick. Good thing the game's servers are on Steam now, eh?

Only thing I can speculate it resting on is people being recalcitrant to adapt from the antiquated "winner takes all" and linear progression of vCoH.

Wholeheartedly agree with almost everything in this post, but this in particular. I've followed this post from the get go and as an outsider looking in...there's a lot of negativity here that I just don't understand. Yes, vCoH was a classic that has mechanics that are 7 years old and mastered. But evolution = change...do you really want more of the exact same experience as the old Company of Heroes? I very much enjoyed the beta and after jumping back into vCoH on Steam, I felt the difference in game play and I appreciate and look forward to the changes made my Relic for the sequel. Just my opinion and thanks for reading.