^ BS rules. Basically a get out of jail card for someone who can't, or won't listen to you asking for restarts, or the rules asking for restarts.
It was either lazy, or worse, arrogant on the part of DevM considering his "colourful past" in regard to bug splats.
Hmm yeah DevM allowing people to replay despite them bug splatting |
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Siphon x has this bang on. I accept all criticisms about the process and my decorum being less than ideal. But defend myself against bias and accusations of trying to mistreat vonivan. Thank you everyone for the improved conversation today good points all round. I am working on a solution involving helping Hans and Von that will make everyone happier. |
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Yeah the process sucked and will be improved upon in the future, that was what I made clear in the post. However the outcome was a fair and just rematch of g4. So I'm confident for the majority of people, the integrity of the result is not in doubt. |
The other messages can be seen, I'm merely pointing out the most crucial messages which determined the sequence of events that did occur. I know both you and A_E keep repeating "the rules are in favor of DevM, we gave you a favor", however the rules, from what I read, state to restart the game after every match, and report bugsplat screens, neither of which were done when DevM was giving his opinion. As well as what I have posted above, showing clearly stated bias, word for word, as well as words which, while if they were actually "be quiet", I would have understood the meaning moreover than "shut the fuck up", be it coming right after my opinions were being stated, not after DevM's opinions were being stated. If A_E had said "shut the fuck up everyone", then the message would have been clearer.
Thus, I feel I have been lied to, when A_E posted this thread while changing the chat logs to show that "be quiet" is replacing "shut the fuck up". As well as my understanding of what was said by A_E during the stream clearly stating DevM would "defeat me that game, and defeat me in game 5" before the game was even played. I don't know how much more clearly I can state the obvious issue at hand.
I also feel cheated, considering the rules were altered and broken without reasonable cause and by someone stating bias'd intentions on a public stream while making a very important decision.
https://clips.twitch.tv/TawdryLazyInternTwitchRPG
The rules were not broken. The rules simply state that if there is no agreement the referees will decide who was winning or say the game should be restarted. That is the full intent of them as written anyway.
Based on that and my interpretation of that it was pretty obvious DevM should have been given the win. Which obviously would have rubbed people up the wrong way.
But no, you were given the win.
You were given the win.
You.
Were.
Given the win.
And now you're pretending you were hard done to. It defies all logic. |
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dxBXR-GuMG5YydI0uNyfOoZnuMD4zGohhUy7BgifQgs/edit#gid=1955210773
Notice something in the rules?
I was waiting for everyone to speak first, as I was discussing my opinion I was shutdown, as I repeat.
You were not shut down you just chose to see it that way. I told everyone to shut the Fuck up, wrongly, but everyone. You are now playing the part of Jesus. Very disappointed you chose to do this instead of just speaking up in that chat or to me. I hope the drama is worth it to you. |
A_E you are generally rude. Not just in this case. You dont hesitate one bit. You told me infront of 1600 people to suck your dick and fuck off because I was pointing out that you are biased. That´s is despite your name being written everywhere and being the main organizer of this tournament.
Grow up for your own good.
The things Von said don´t surprise me and I agree with them 100%. I am glad Von came out and shared his opinion on this matter.
I just don't take shit from people, this is a amateur enthusiast lead community, not a professional situation. |
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Hope everyone has enjoyed their witch hunt.
I have broad enough shoulders to take it, but have had enough for now.
My message is this for everyone that's trying to paint this situation in the wrong light for their own entertainment: fuck you, I'm going to enjoy GCS and have a great time, I know in my heart I attempt to do the right thing wherever possible, and there's enough people that have my back that I don't really have to worry too much about the people out for blood.
To Cruzz, Gadaffi, and anyone else that has had constructive criticism it's all been taken on board.
Von, no hard feelings, thank you for playing in GCS you played like a true warrior and took it more seriously than any other player. And if you can get a cheap flight to England on a cancellation like you mentioned, I'll keep some budget handy. Keep me informed as to what your intentions are. |
Most people here don't get the problem, which is really weird imo.
The problem is not what decision AE took, he might have taken the right one in such conditions but it the WAY he did that.
he might be referee, vonivan did nothing to get such a threatment in chat relegated to the role of a criminal waiting for the judge to choose his sentence.
let me ask one single question :
Was it VONIVAN's Fault if DEVM got a bugsplat ?
No, so why should VONIVAN suffer the consequences of it ?
and even worst, why is he not even allowed to take part in the decision made ONLY and PURELY by AE and DEVM.
I won't say that maybe there is an agreement between tourney organizer AE and main competitor DEVM, including money, because i have no proof. But it definately sink.
Was happy to talk to vonivan directly, and wanted him to talk more in that chat. But he was very quiet.
Also I was telling everyone to shut up for a moment, whilst I proposed something that was in VonIvan's favour but a bad thing for DevM (a loss).
I just needed clear comms, and came across a bit rude.
Von was not at all required to be quiet, it's just that the emphasis was on DevM. |
My side of the story:
As you know yesterday I had my semi-final games vs devM. I thought the games went well and congratulate DevM on the win and advance to the finals, he deserved it.
What I did not appreciate however, was the way A_E decided to alter the rules for a poor reason and silence anything I had to say in a rude manner.
The chat logs he posted are not the REAL chat logs I have screenshotted and saved from steam itself. Hooligan can back me up on this, as he was my ref before A_E got involved.
http://i.imgur.com/iMXuLke.png
http://i.imgur.com/A7ekguw.png
http://i.imgur.com/Q3Y7g6Q.png
http://i.imgur.com/YP1DslM.png
http://i.imgur.com/1JcHowf.png
http://i.imgur.com/qhopPMN.png
http://i.imgur.com/ztFMoPt.png
http://i.imgur.com/mW9vFsO.png
As you can see, the way this "exception" was conducted AFTER rules were pre-agreed to, as shown in the chat log itself, makes me feel this was handled in the worst way possible.
What makes this worse is that the bias was even shown on screen......right before my final game was to be played.
https://clips.twitch.tv/EvilColdBeefWutFace
https://clips.twitch.tv/TawdryLazyInternTwitchRPG
I feel this is NOT what someone should do in said scenario. Again, I am not trying to change what is already done, but I wish to show my side of the story so people know the truth, and nothing but the truth.
A_E, please do not edit things like you have in your original chat log when posting.
I appreciate the work done in this tournament, but I do not appreciate being lied to, or seeing lies.
No lies intended,
no bias intended,
nothing against you,
no lack of transparency intended.
These are the reasons I applied a few edits to the chat log I posted
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZXdZsKegNB5XlG74-fJivSW0F0rJS8K_r6701TJhX88/edit#gid=0
Completely innocent reasons, just wanted to tidy it up.
I did not mean to sound rude to you at all, I was annoyed that hooligan and devm were going on about things that didn't matter.
This is a complete none issue to me, I have nothing against you, and have done nothing in favour of DevM gainst you. I appreciate it came across poorly in some respects. But it was the pressure of the situation.
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I don't know what DevM did or did not do to avoid bugsplat. If he isn't aware of it already, he should be restarting the game between each match to avoid that behaviour.
However, the CoH2 is what it is, and DevM might be using a different rig from the other players. Maybe there's something about DevM's machine that causes stability problems to CoH2.
There have been other other bug splats in GCS so far for other players, although DevM has had two, and we would definitely ask him to check out his hardware before the final, luckily he won't be playing on his own computer for the final. |
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