i think the snipers still need a rework even after the change from vcoh that was made because right now they feel very very limited. to many counters not very effective at killing troops.
i think the solution you presented to your the problem is off. rather than changing the pgrens you can adjust the Zis3 and su85 infantry accuracy.
still not sure if you do that it fixes it. you obviously want a small chance for tanks to snipe infantry even if they aren't made for it. (part of coh at this point.) I think it is better to first look at at guns and su85 then if there is still a problem turn to pgrens. from a balance prospective while they all play a connected role zis3/su85 are far less effect on other parts of the game if they lost more of there inf snipe (not talking about barrage.)
lol I just looked up nullist said realized he said somthing similar.
i haven't analyzed enough video/game-play to see what I think about nerfing/buffing either of those but if 1 unit is to be changed i feel its those 2 first then the pgrens.
I mean it is ridiculous that you mention not being able to leave MG42 on its own without getting molotoved, you said something about having to babysit it with Grens.
Well, thats what its designed for. To support Grens and Grens to support MG42, they work very well if used that way. And you know that very well
Now if you said that MG42 is slightly UP and needs a tinny buff, I would agree with that. And most other players who don't have crush on single faction, probably. .
Instead you opted for a rant and ridiculous examples of what can happen to MG42 in the hands of complete no0b
As spon as I see someone get aggressive on a forum I assume they are a douchebag.. so you can gtfo..
It sounds to me like your the one upset not the other way around MVGame. I and others don't agree with you so what? (Did I mention we are on the internet. ) Lets break this down first, bare with me here... (que Flashback sound effect) Imagine we are back in grade school and your asked to write one of those stupid persuasive argument essays. You choose to write it about pgrens needing a buff. Your job is to persuade us the reader why we should believe that the panzer grenadiers need a buff. Well let us take a look at your opening post and see why you got the response you did.
1. As per the title - they need to be as survivable at least as the guards infantry or their recrew needs to go down to 30 per man. 2. Currently they die as fast as engineers, 3. its absolute bullshit to have a squad that expensive be the weakest infantry in game. 4. The near unkillable shock troops re crew is no where near the 45 mp asking price.
1. Lets see first sentence you have what/how you think should be changed(check). 2. second point you make a claim one that needs proof for anyone in there right mind to believe.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” ― Carl Sagan
3. Then you spout profanities and make another claim. (calling Carl Sagan need help at isle three!!!) 4. After all that you state an opinion about another unit, then make a claim that again requires evidence to support.
A theme that seems to be forming is that you don't haven't brought any evidence to the table. you are proposing changing the game for thousands of coh2 players just saying because i said so isn't enough.
This is why I and maybe others didn't bother to give you a serious response to your post. The world is not required to share the same opinion as you. (sorry doesn't work like that.)
not to mention Saying stuff like this doesn't make you any friends or get you anywhere, its petty, immature (imo) and not relevant to the argument.
why didn't you start of with something like this. (note: that i cut out a few parts. )
next up is you don't seem to understand newtons third law which is every important to balance in video games.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction -Issac Newton
So if I added more armor and/or lowered the reinforcement cost, would that just effect pgrens? (in case you were wondering the answer is) no, it would also effect all the units around it on both sides so its not that simple you can't just slap on more armor and say done deal. Then It gets even more complicated because then that change, changes other units which in turn change all the units agian and so on and so on.
I hope this helps you understand why this thread has progressed the way it has.