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  36 mediums and 2 elephants produced, avg rank ~200

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I count 36 mediums built and 2 elephants, they basically all get destroyed.

Not high skill gameplay although ranks aren't appalling, but great if you want to watch an unbelievable number of tanks get destroyed.

Some nice swings back and forth too with a close VP finish.

I would love to see someone cast it

I mean, i dont think RA is as high as is could possibly be for the soviet sniper, you are saying that it is already extremely flimsy due to high RA, but also that its too durable at the same time. It seems incoherent to me.

Im not convinced that RA is already at the max it could or should ever be for the soviet sniper. The problem as i see it is that the soviet sniper can quite happily sit under small arms fire in a way that the Ost and Brit snipers cant.

The points about Mortars and Tanks i dont really know what to say too, its a huge range of "if's" if both sniper models are close enough that they both receive max damage from the mortar then both will die, if they arent, then they wont. But then, as i said, even if an Ost or Brit sniper takes a direct hit from a mortar it wont die either. So the comparison is - can sometimes die for the soviet sniper, too - will never die for the others.

The same applies to tank shots, it depends on the location of the models and the aoe being applied. Its just different, thats what im saying is good, the two models gives the unit a different flavour. Its more durable in some situations, its less durable in others. You make the case that if the tank shell hits one model you waste some damage potential, but you can equally say that if the tank's aoe hits the second model, you are gaining damage potential you wouldnt get hitting a single sniper model. And its not like the 90 mp reinforce cost is utterly negligible.

The problem is right now, as it says in the patch notes, the Soviet sniper is too durable because of its higher HP in fact and as you say its higher effective HP, so nerf its effective HP under rifle fire to reasonable levels by nerfing its RA.

I could give you my personal opinion about this, but i cant talk for the whole balance team about that change. I think that 1 man sniper is a good change, 2 model sniper team made the unit too hard to kill. By my experience playing the game, killing 1 model of the sniper team ment that the other guy retreated to the base when it should've died. Now that sniper counters have been buffed, maybe the received accuracy could be tunned down a little.

I appreciate you responding.

I still don't understand the justification for the change, you could make the team have 1 hp each and 100% received accuracy, it would not be too hard to kill then right? Why does too hard to kill justify the 1 man squad change?

The one man squad change necessarily homogenises the unit and makes the unit get 1 shot by Ost sniper (big change to sniper dynamic) and can also make the unit easier to kill. RA changes, health changes, stat changes can make the unit easier to kill without homogenisation and sniper dynamic changes. It achieves what you want without affecting other elements of the game, isnt this therefore the obvious choice to make?

This is why "its too hard to kill" doesnt justify the change to 1 man in my eyes.

This is what i mean when i say you claim you want to change X to achieve Y, but in reality you change X to achieve Y and Z. But no thought or justification is given for the secondary change.

It seems like the reaction too "soviet sniper is too hard to kill" is resulting in "lets completely redesign the unit", when you could just make the sniper easier to kil...

RA was changed on previous patches, snipers have a model size of 1.5.

Is there a reason the soviet sniper cant have uniquely high received accuracy out of all the snipers?

Do you see my point? The stated aim is change X to achieve Y. But in reality X is achieving Y and Z (easier to kill with infantry and homogenised sniper interaction).

If it is a conscious decision that all snipers should behave essentially the same when interacting with each other, then this isn't justified/explained by saying that infantry flanks on snipers aren't rewarding enough at the moment.

What is the thought process behind that? Is it worth homogenisation to change that sniper interaction and strip the unit of its uniqueness?

If the argument is that everyone should have access to countersnipes as a counter to snipers, how is that balanced with OKW and USF not having access to snipers at all? Making infantry flanks rewarding against snipers (it is only not rewarding against the Soviet sniper at the moment) fixes the issue for all factions and retains the uniqueness of the unit.

This isnt JUST a balance change, but a fairly significant design and flavour change as well.

>change not even live
>people discuss it as it is

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Its not like its a small stat change that requures playing it to feel the change. Most of the criticism ive seen (and agree with) is that its a homogenization. Which it is, dont need to play the patch to have an opinion on that.