Profile of Rinsue

A lot of it has to do with what the non-sniper player is doing. If you can draw that player out of position you'll likely be able to bully the snipers.

Double sniper teams usually entail two players pushing one side. Use that to your advantage and maneuver/flank with your ally. All failing one or both should be able to take the rest of the map.

If the other player is going t2 soviet w/ conscripts or a UKF vickers into WASP bren your best bet really is a blob of G43 grens. Your strat is pretty much surviving long enough to tech to the midgame. Just remember you'll likely fighting a 2v1 in many cases, so don't expect am advantage.

That said, if you're up against soviet snipers with USF support I find it much easier to draw soviet snipers into over extending, whereas t2 soviet or UKF support tends to dig in and lock you down/out of fuel or vps.

Aye. I normally can't put all that faith in my ally that early so I always intend to win my side and then fight with my teammate. I prefer to see 2v2 as a 1v1 that then introduces two other people who were 1v1'ing and then becomes a 2v2. I suppose it's flawed, but I've always preferred anything that exemplifies individual ability rather than team wide strength. The person I play with the most and I refer to it as double d***king when both players are attacking one instead of fighting their respective side.

Peaple forget the double tap(incindary shot) from ost sniper can finish off snipers quite easily becouse of superior camo. The Problem is getting to vet 1 though espacially later in the game

"Maybe you can try to get him with the snipe into incendiary round to wipe the two, but if your opponent is incompetent enough to let that happen, then this post doesn't apply to you."

It was one of the first counters I proposed, but it is still flawed, because the second you see a model drop or your sniper start to lose HP, there's no reason to not quickly click over and retreat.

The second reason is that the ostheer mortar is currently dictating the 2v2 meta, from what we've seen from the limited games so far in the Ultimate Team Tournament. Players like Barton are spamming these and sniper play offers no solution to them. Mortars wipe snipers from behind cover with alarming regularity. Not only do mortars wipe snipers, they can also allow your infantry to easily flank and kill them using smoke barrages.

Can you link a replay or a youtube clip? I find it hard to believe that a 4 man mortar squad would dominate the meta against players with competent mechanical ability. Preferably a match where somebody like DevM or Luvnest is present on opposing teams? I've noticed the top 1% are FAR better than the top 3%.

This goes for OKW as well. What are you supposed to do? All the counters you have to snipers aren't reliable at all.

You can't countersnipe like can you against the british sniper, because it's a two man sniper squad, you may be able to poke one model off of it but after first shot it turns into a who can outsnipe who meta, excpet he has TWO models in his sniper squad, effectively meaning he can afford to make a mistake with it, while you have a lone operator (it may be beefier but when you're talking a oneshot scenario health doesn't matter). Maybe you can try to get him with the snipe into incendiary round to wipe the two, but if your opponent is incompetent enough to let that happen, then this post doesn't apply to you.

Against competent players, what are you supposed to do?

You can't use vehicles (cheeky kubelwagen will really only work if he's not paying attention) because of all the reliable anti-tank that Soviets have, OST Scout car is a terrible option as by the time you get it he'll likely have dedicated anti tank since this is 2v2, any later than that and the damage will be irreversible. Maybe rush a walking stuka and go for the cheeky artillery strike counter snipe :^) ?

Even beating the Soviet out early wouldn't matter, as it's only a matter of time before the attrition starts.

The only thing I found I could do was G43 blob in his general direction, but that's easily counterable, he'll see me coming with his vision superiority and adjust his MG, and the fact that he can bring my squad to half men in a fraction of a second forces me to retreat that unit or risk losing them.

You can't use a mortar to deal with that MG because the Soviet sniper is destroying your infantry, so you have no screening to prevent his infantry from running at your mortar, and even if you "place an MG to counter the push onto your mortar", he will just right click his snipers onto your MG, potentially wiping half of the squad immediately as well. Not to mention the mortar squad is a 4 man squad that is force wiped if it gets to one model.

You can attempt to flank him with shotblockers, but if he's competent, he'll have some sort of screening and see the move coming, and adjust accordingly (likely using the vision superiority his snipers are giving him).

Yes I am aware that this would take a 720 manpower investment on his part, and you can easily outflank him early and push his units back while capping the vast majority of his side of the map since he invested 360 manpower into a non-core infantry unit, but just because you won early does not mean you'll win the midgame, especially when he starts forcing your infantry back and you rapidly lose map control.

I am asking for 2v2, I have zero problems dealing with soviet sniper in 1v1.