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A game of land mattresses, werfers and heavy tanks on Port of Hamburgers

Did allies even stall for heavies in the "heavy meta" phase? I know I usually stall for a Pershing and I get it at around 17-21 minutes, depending on the game, without losing anything really. Only know I go for a Sherman if we have such a dominating lead that a min 12 sherman can close the game.
Did Soviets stall for an IS-2 and win games? Or Crocodile? Or Pershing?
I remember everyone stalled for a Tiger1, Tiger Ace and King Tigers and pretty much steamrolled away.

IS2 prenerf was usable in teamgames, but now it's a meme cannon that is only really good vs unexperienced players which get terrified if they see a heavy tank. It's still a good heavy tank but most prone to RNG due to it's slow rate of fire. Don't play IS2 in teamgames. Katyusha, T3485, SU85 and elite infantry is the way to go, not heavy tanks like these.

That would be ridiculously overpowered. That would give it over 3000 DPM, way more than the Tiger and even more than the Tiger II, on a heavily armored and relatively mobile chassis.

The IS-2 is fine. It just suffers from superheavy TDs in teamgames hardcountering it on open maps.

Tiger Ace in vet3 has 3000 DPM, 1280 HP and 50 range, while costing a bit more than a regular Tiger and coming a few minutes later, so I don't quite get your point.
While I don't think that IS2 needs 240 dmg, at vet3 it would be a 3200 DPM unit, so not much more potent than a vet3 Tiger Ace, whilst having less hp and a bit more armor and worse scatter. So one hit of damage more, but with worse scatter, who knows what the "true" DPM is.


But the problem will always be the fact that a Tiger will always be able to breakthrough allied defenses and an IS2 will not. Hence you go for something that can break it. Range and rocket arty.
If you see that the enemy is MEH, then you go for an IS2, but if you see Panthers and pak40s, you'll never break that with an IS2 without rocket arty (if you have the pop space).

On paper, IS2 looks better than a Tiger 1 but when you consider the faction it's in and what it's going against, you need to understand that IS2 is not a unit that will win you the game

Cons can build sandbags and have 6 men which is enough to stall till 4 (i did that 8 games in a row)

Also p4 gets actually hit by ZIS because of the target size

And cons behind plenty of green cover will be easily suppressed by any MG due to there always being one model which can't fit properly behind cover, hence the large sandbag they can place. Your whole thread is mind-numbingly dumb and the arguments are silly at best.

Im assuming your talking to me? I think PTRS penals are fine, I was giving suggestions based on what OP stated. I think their AI in the LATE GAME is slightly UP, but since you said that can you point to a high level match between elite players where the PENAL player won without either T2 back tech or Commissar.

I wasn't talking to anyone specifically otherwise I'd quote. I'm saying that penals as AT infantry is fine as is.
You won't see penals AT in high level 1v1s because you lose a lot of AI power if you change it up and 1v1s are quite tight when it comes to staying power/bleeding.

In 3v3+ I've seen PTSR penals being utilized to great effect. Usually 2x PTSR penals which hold the line against any and all dives, one ZiS and then the bulk of the force is either cons or elite infantry (usually cons). In 3v3, the mode which I play, I also see a skip of t70 (due to the massed AT guns in 99% of games).

Sometimes PTSR work, sometimes they don't. You won't see them often because they are a reactive force. You get them as a reaction to the enemy playstyle. If the enemy is not building mass light vehicles, don't go PTSR, but just tech t2 and get ZiS before minute 13 or a fast T34 if you can afford it.

Can't tell you how many times I've seen mass 222 plays from Ostheer, even top level players. I've seen a premade x3 top 5 3v3 team of three Ostheer players which made (I think) about 12 222s in first 10 minutes on Lienne forest. All 3 of them built 4.
The tactic was:
Bunker down on one side so you get stead income, don't bleed.
Start spamming 222s
Once you have 10+ 222s, you win the game.

Thank FU** that my soviet player had 2x PTSR penals with maxims. Their tactic went down the drain. If it wasn't for PTSRs we'd lose. AT guns are useless against such a mass due to their agility, and Rifles from me and my other teammate were useless. Heck, tried to snare 3 222s, all 3 rifles died before the snare even went off. The animation is something special. My AAHT somehow survived and managed to kill 2 222s (got extremely lucky). They surrendered promptly.
See, a reactive force.
You won't just go PTSR penals like you would go for a ZiS gun. You build ZiS because you expect medium tanks to hit the field and you need something with range to keep them at bay. You upgrade Penals with PTSRs to react to the enemy LV phase, not because you plan to counter a future P4 and get overrun by infantry in the meantime

When you build a ZiS, you gain a ZiS gun, losing NOTHING. When you upgrade penals, you SWAP AI for AT. Hence action-reaction