Profile of Protos Angelus

Did you ever play in 3vs3, 4vs4 vs an Avre middle? No fun i can tell you.

But yeah on the one side its too powerful for such units as you and me listed up, on the other side, left and right side is just longrange fights.

Completely true. Played a 3v3 game with a brit ally that parked it there and his premade soviet ally just supported it. I don't think there was a single decapture of that point throughout the time that AVRE was there, all it took to win it was just probing on one other VP and capturing it without bleeding too much. Was not a fun win and had the same scenario but was on the receiving end of the sh**stick called ST parked behind the middle shot/sight blocker. Same shit, different faction. Both AVRE and ST should not be able to fire over shot blockers. If an AT gun or a normal tank can fire through it, so can the nuke dispenser, otherwise a big no-no

I've seen a JT barrage first hit wipe my entire rifle squad. Never knew why it has such a low cooldown and is on a tank with 450 frontal armour and 1000+ hp. Sure an ISU152 has a 60 range HE shell and good armour (340), but it has it's weaknesses. No panther to defend dives against it and generally pretty weak main tank considering AT. With the nerf to the RAM combo, JT having 300 dmg and 500 penetration and 450 armour and better accuracy on the main gun, don't know why it also get a massive AI ability that can one hit wipe squads from 125 range, when generally Soviets won't be able to deal with it without sacrificing more MP/fuel/muni than one JT is worth.

The only real downside of the barrage on JT is that it has no spread. It's quite accurate and pretty much all shells land in the circle meaning, if it's aimed at moving squads, you will damage and definitely force retreats but unless it's a first hit wipe, you won't get a lot of kills past the first shell. Of course, if the enemy is not paying attention at that moment and the squad is static and you use the fussie flare to scout it out, you can inflict massive damage.
Again, this lack of scatter means it's better against encampments.
Still, why a dedicated heavy AT has a 125 range AI barrage is beyond me. Probably sturm or sander like using it a lot on wide open maps in teamgames. Who knows. I agreed with the range nerf on the ISU152. Nobody likes 70 range mini-nukes in teamgames but ISU152 has a lot of other vulnerabilities:
1) It's AT is mediocre with the ROF and penetration values
2) It's frontal armour is not all that impressive. It's high overall but you can't really force luck with it (like you can force luck with a KT against a wall of M1 57s)
3) It does not have a Panther to protect it.

JT never should have had a barrage ability, not with the armour piercing ability that transforms it into a pak43 for some time.

in 4v4 USF late game:
1. Inf:
If you lost Rifleman, dont instant call Ranger. 340 mp non vet in late game could bleed you by alot. You better:
- Rebuild office, by default they are better rifleman in Vet 0. they could take less bleed. Equip with BAR of couse.
- use RE and spam tank trap. Green cover in late game is only thing to back you troop against vetted enemies, especially Osber.
- Ranger as your second line, dont trust their vet 0 M1 rifle. You had to give them 1 BAR or even 2.
- Smoke from Mortar is best way to save your troop, Nature of USF is medium rank fire. With smoke, you force enemies come close to you !.
2. Tank fight:
- About your pick: cmd with Ranger. You better buy M20 even late game because:
+ Recon unit
+ M6 anti tank Mine to counter Axis drive.
+ Protector of you 57mm.
- M4, M36 depend on which situation: M4 for Calliop, M36 for M26.
My build order is: M20 - M4/M36 - CAlliOp - M4/M36 or M26 depend on your map control.
- M8 scott is last thing you concern, It barrage had 80 range = 88mm gun range. please remember this.
3/ Weapon support:
- USF Mortar for smoke - smoke and barrage only. Dont trust autofire. You can go mortar even late game.
- .50 cal: a so-so unit in 4v4. ALWAYS put them in cover.
- 57mm ATG: always get 2. please space them out and expect 4-5 shot brounce in row.
- Howie gun: dont build it in late game. There are deadweight.
4/ Remember late game is about MP warfare. Ranger Zoo or BAR, Thompson always your second line, Smoke from ability, mortar, M8 scott is your best friends. Dont trust a work " their M1 Rifle is good in long range". No there aren't.
Seeking for close range combat in VP. kill inf and instant retreat. Put another ranger, vetted rifleman ready and keep smoke. I prefer a good smoke barrage from 10-20m behind VP.

This can work too. Also don't listen to the troll's "advice" about rangers, there is a reason he is low rank with thousands of games. But yeah, late game you want to minimize bleed as much as possible and it's even preferable to let pak howis die if they keep getting bombarded.



Vet2 upgraded grens vs vet1 stock rangers: Grens won all 3 engagements. Smoke was used between them.
https://www.coh2.org/file/20000/grenvsranger2.jpg Pre-fight

Set owner back to me to show health values between vet3 LMG grens vs vet2 stock rangers.


Upgraded vet2 rangers vs vet3 LMG grens: Rangers win here

Note the distance. 15-20 which is the perfect distance for rangers while being inferior for grens. Grens are "the longer the better". I shudder to think how much more 240 MP grens would win vs 340 MP 10 pop doctrinal rangers, on maximum range. Of course, close range they would probably decimate grens, but good luck getting close to grens later on in the game. Also, grens can rifle nade you, most of the time it's better to stay in green cover as it negates 50% dmg. Most rifle nade wipes happen when squad tries to dodge the rifle nade a bit too late and leave cover.

So all in all, even if you go for the rangers for AI, you need the captain "On Me" to let them close in. Rangers with tommies decimate everything but falls/infrared obers in close range.
Most of the times you can witness:
Enemy LMG blob approaching and you have rangers + rifles. You know that if you close in, you win... but unless you have On Me + smoke, LMG grens will shred you as you try to approach them. So another argument for officer + smoke

Hi guys

I need help with my build for USF late game. Commanders with rangers.

When it comes to the late game I usually have:
AT team - 2x rangers with bazookas.
Support weapons, tanks and all the other shit ...
Anti Inf team - captain with upgrade + bar , usually vet rifleman from early game with 2x bars


But when I lose ALL my rifleman, what unit I should replace them with ? I like my captain, it gets fast + it has useful smoke, but I don't know if I should put another rangers to him and if so, should I upgrade them thomsons or 2x bars to be more align with the captain. Or I should just throw away captain and have 2x thompson rangers?

Thanks for the tips

3v3 perspective

Don't replace rifles with rangers. Rangers are only good close range. Rifles are more for medium range and they can snare. Also don't put double bars on rangers. Tried it out a couple of times, even triple bars, they still lose to vet2 LMG grens long range. Rangers are just close range.

My USF build come late:

Infantry: 3x rifles + captain BAR + 2x REchelon + major + ranger depending on map/dead rifles/...
But I always have at least 2 rifles (double snare for panthers... 1[control group]-TAB-N-click-TAB-N-click)


I always have one AAHT on stand-by. Mobile suppression platform is a must unless you plan on backteching to lieutenant. AAHT is great for shooting down planes later on and has decent suppression unless the map is crater-y. Still, even if there are craters all over the main areas, just use the AAHT as a ANTI-SNEAKY-INFANTRY-BLOBS. I play 3v3 so it's common that you're fighting on mid and somebody sneaks behind or from the side. AAHT being mobile can easily suppress such blobs especially on large maps where there's not lots of cover.

Last but not least for AI I also have double pak howi or double scotts. Depending whether the enemy is spamming werfers. Scotts are better generally, being more mobile and having access to free massive smoke barrage.

So for AI so far I've got rifles + captain + AAHT + maybe rangers + double indirect
One good solution is also: Captain ON ME on RANGERS with tommies -> charge



AT: On larger maps I go for double AT gun, on smaller, one AT gun + zooks on echelons + major (zooks upgrade only when all BARs are upgraded).

If the enemy is spamming werfers/stukas, again, I will replace the AT guns with jacksons when I have resources.

For tanks: If I can lock down a game (rarely) and my team is dominating, then I go for a fast Sherman, otherwise I stall for a Pershing. In 90% of games I play the Heavy Cavalry, in 10% I play Urban and here and there I go for pathfinders (extremely seldom).

Usually, in most games by minute 21 I have:

a) 3x rifles + captain + 2x echelons + major
b) 1-2 AT guns, 2x pak howi
I skip pak howis in 3v3 like Steppes, and instead go for rangers + one more AT gun. Mega large maps like those are not good for slow, clunky teamweapons with 1.25 target size, one ober squad and your no-cover pak howi is dead in seconds, but on maps where they have some protection, go for it. And don't get one pak howi. After the nerf, a single pak howi won't do s*** in teamgames. Learned that from experience.

c) Pershing


Then I maybe replace the AT guns with a jackson, pak howis with scotts. If AAHT gets destroyed. I rebuild it definitely... But I never ever am left without rifles. Always keep at least TWO.
One thing you have to understand about stock US infantry:
They only excel in close to medium range unless you give them LMGs. BARs are close to medium range. Only infantry that excels in long range are pathfinders and LMG paras. That's why in teamgames it's preferable to go for paras. Why?
Well axis infantry is mostly long range. vet2 Obers shred vet3 rifles at long range. Grens are also long range. Volks are long range. 3 core axis infantry are all long range specialists (well volks suck di*** late game but that's why obers exist). Late game, the fights are long range only because if you try to close in --> Geneva convention fails and you get blown up, especially in 4v4s.

Urban commander: Eh it depends, I get jacksons + calliopes and rest is just a mess. It all depends, playing urban commander is usually just copy-paste until calliope arrives. Calliope is the best AI that USF has for lategame in teamgames. There is not a single stock combination in the USF roster that can stop ober blobs + 2x A-move raketen + heavy tank + stuka. Only the calliope can deal with it in teamgames.

So that's about it when it comes to the question: "Replace anything with rangers?"
Medium-Large maps? NO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu31VyXlTzo ? Are the maps toight? Then you can have rangers (always keep rifles and captain is great, never discard it)

No. Total reload is more than just the base value, it includes other values like wind up/down too (due to animations etc.). And that's the minimum reload value too, it has a variable one between 3.29-3.71s. A veteran Tiger has 3.75s average reload according to Serealia.

I know about wind up and wind down like the Pershing and Jackson, but is this interval a randomly assigned number or is there some logic behind it? Sometimes it fires 3.29, sometimes 3.5 sometimes 3.71?