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su76 should be a mobile light/medium vehicle barrage tank. The reason Soviets have 2 TDs (although su76 is not a TD in it's regard) is the fact that soviets have piss poor infantry AT. Brits have piats which, USF has zooks, Axis have the best panzershrecks. Soviets have "Fast" firing high caliber rifles that can easily deal with light vehicles but rely on low range satchel to kill tanks. SU76 is there as a cheaper alternative to SU-85 to complement ZiS builds. On first glance, you'd think it's got no place but it does. It should be a tank you get to push off mediums for less fuel, giving you time to bring out katyusha or t34-76.
It's got 400hp, 120 dmg (40 less than regular tanks), 160-180 penetration -> enough for mediums like OST P4 (hardly for OKW P4).

I think what would make it viable more is any buff to it's barrage. Whether CD or cost. It's role would then be to fill in the gaps between SU-85 and ZiS. More mobile, easier to escape vs infantry and better repositioning to deal with blobs with barrage.

I've heard somebody say that SU76 used to be OP. I haven't played the game when it came out so I don't know but that's how I see the SU76.

SU-85 should remain the same.
SU-76 should be a response unit. Has AT capabilities up to mediums. Has AI capabilities in a sense of barrage to support infantry.

ZiS is ... well, ZiS. Less mobile SU-76 that costs no fuel and has better penetration.

I think SU-76 exists in order to fill in that gap. If you go for penals/snipers, you can go to T3, skipping maxims and ZiS and yet not losing the early AT capabilities.

I think the unit is fine. It reinforces that Soviet versatility notion.

Having read all that imo its SPEED may be the answer to all problems.

It could be done in a few ways but the concept would be to make it the most heavily armoured but also the slowest among rocket arty units.

If calliope was, for example, 50% slower it could make it more vulnerable to AT stuff and would allow it to retain its armour. Some other ideas of slowing it down could be used (70% speed penalty after the barrage for 15 seconds, etc).

What do U guys think?

That is not a bad idea. And it's logical. Having a mounted rocket arty on your small tank is not really an easy burden.

Slower velocity after barrage is especially a good idea.

Bundle nades are usually used against very large squads because of the design difference. Don't manipulate.

Please don't lecture me. It is not related to the topic.

There are very few such squads, and most of them get more men as the game progresses. You are manipulating. Allied nades are used mostly against 4 men squads and that is why they usually will inflict more manpower bleed. Axis will have to use "bigger" and more expensive nades to have similar results. Those bigger nades will have longer explosion times, which often requires more skill to use.

It is not true. PGs fight larger squads more often. Shocks don't really need grenades to kill osttruppen. PFs are only a threat to them after an expensive munition upgrade. Still shocks can use smoke, use shotblockers, etc, to close the distance and annihilate them. The whole point is to make a tiny adjustment to a grenade pricing to reflect its better than standard nade performance. I don't really understand why you are so frustrated about it. Such change will probably make the gameplay experience better. It won't affect balance that much as the price should probably be sth between the bundle a a standard nade.

This comment is again not related in any way to adequate pricing of things to avoid in game frustrations.

Are you on drugs or something? You're spilling out BS that has nothing to do with reality.

PGs fight larger squads because they are 4 man. No matter the model number difference they still dominate close range all mainline infantry (as they should).

Bundled nades are not only used against very large squads. They are used vs everything. Often enough if the battle is raging across multiple spots, and with a bit of luck that your enemy is not ATM looking at your PGs, you can get single squad wipes easily, and if it's not a wipe, it's definitely an 60-80% model lost which puts it out of action for some time. They are better used vs larger congregations but that's usually seen in teamgames.

How can you even compare PGs and Shocks? One is a stock elite unit with utility to fight blobs, vehicles, etc... and the other is a doctrinal AI only infantry that specializes in closing the gap and destroying infantry. Hence the smoke + good nade. The unit you can compare shocks too are Assault Grenadiers, and in that light, the nade is well balanced.

Also, the PGs bundled nade has large enough radius and short enough fuse that if throw in the middle of the squad, you will most definitely force a retreat since no squad can remove (run away) all the models in 1.25 seconds in a 20 range radius (or the enemy faces a probable wipe). How can you compare PGs and Shocks?

I agree with OP's statements. If you want stats without opening up attribute editor on the game files: https://coh2.serealia.ca/#

EDIT: The reason ATs bounce a lot on brummbar is because brumbrum has 260 armour on base and 312 on vet2, while ZiS has 200/190/180 penetration on far/mid/close. so let's say 190/260 ~ 70% (312 ~ 60%). So it's no wonder it can bounce a lot, especially if the luck is not on your side.

To get things straight:
- Pershing has a total reload time of 7 seconds at vet0 and 5,35 sec at vet 3 (because you neglected 1 sec of wind down an the delay between phases) while Tiger has an (average) total reload of 5,375 at vet 0 and 3,875 at vet 3. Sometimes I have seen that the formula is still not 100% correct, maybe because the stat data might be off by a tick or so, but for the most part it has been pretty trustworthy. This makes the Tiger better by 30/38%.

- Penetration values are usually useless for direct comparison between Axis and Allies, because both sides have generally higher/lower armor values. 100 pen for an Axis vehicle is more than for an Allied vehicle. The same way, 100 armor for Axis is worth less than for Allies, generally speaking. The Tiger has enough pen to deal with all Allied stock vehicles except for Comet/Churchill. And while the Pershing is for the most part reliable against Axis stock heavy armor (Panther, Brummbär), it can still bounce with about 10% chance.

- And the most important part: Pershing can take 2 shots less (can someone cross check that? I can't at the moment and 800 HP sounds quite low, although I think it is correct). This makes the (unsnared) Tiger 40% better. With snare still 20%

Basically what I said in a couple of posts upward, don't understand how some people can't grasp that.

Pershing has 960HP: Taken from the last pershing patch in the official forum. Armor was nerfed to 270 and HP increased to 960.