Profile of LoopDloop

Says he has 5 accounts specifically so he can stomp people with less experience than him.

Still complains about balance.

GG.

To be fair, many people’s toxic reactions (not that this gives us some moral high ground or anything) are the result of extremely uninformed and frankly ridiculous claims and complaints that aren’t posed in such a way to say “I can’t deal with this please help me get better”, more so as “I can’t deal with this, please nerf so I can win without getting/being better than my opponents. Please spoon feed me success”. This is a bad mentality that leads to most of the stupid stuff on these forums and really drags down the integrity of the people who say stuff like this, and a lot of people, axis and allied players alike and everyone in between, are pretty annoyed by this sort of stuff. OP seriously complained about “a-moving sturmpio spam”. FFS.

@bonerforest, I know that a lot of people on the internet and people who play games tend to be younger (I myself am), but it’s a bit facetious to automatically assume that everyone is. I’m sure a fair amount of members of this forum aren’t what you would necessarily call young people. Also, while I’m sure you had good intentions, IMO it came across as a little condescending, especially with gross generalizations about the perennial perceived decay of the younger generation and supposed bad parenting. Respect also comes with treating people as individuals and not as members of some nebulously and overly generally defined group.

Correction: Relic SAYS they're designed to be good at long range as a "defensive faction". They aren't though, objectively, observably.

"Good" means extremely threatening, lethal, absurdly high DPS.

Allies have that at close range, with literally all units, from infantry to light vehicles to tanks, while ALSO having high model count squads, allowing Allied players to bruteforce Axis units, ignore all tactical mechanics in the game (cover, line of sight, etc.) and get reliable wipes.

Ostheer, on the other hand, doesn't have that at ANY range with the sole exception of Panzergrenadiers who have a four-man squad and thus get instawiped as soon as they get in range of that high DPS (as well as to artillery shells, satchel charges, booby traps, etc.).

All other Ostheer units have low DPS at far, medium and close range. Ergo, Ostheer is never threatening to anyone.

And then on top of this Ostheer also gets worthless SMGs.

So literally every base unit Ostheer has is not threatening to anyone, ever, and we get spat upon by also being given trash SMGs from call-in units and upgrades.

So fair. So balanced. So well designed.

Oooook. Definitely an l2p issue.

Ever heard of lmg42s? They definitely have low dps at long range /s. hmg42s are also a thing. Pgrens have pretty dang high mid and close range dps. I’ve seen vet3 pgrens straight up beat my vet3 commandos before with no nades on either side and a camouflage ambush bonus on the commandos (rarely, but it happens). Their smgs are all on cheap units that come at t0 or 0cp, and one of those is an engineer unit that’s not even supposed to be a frontline fighter anyway. Of course you’ll lose if you put pios up against rangers or commandos lol. And the new stormtrooper mp40s are objectively extremely strong and on par with commando stens, while also having a situational ability that vastly increases their dps (while making them super vulnerable ofc, paratroopers have the same thing so there should be no complaints there) so that fixes any perceived problem there.

You also say “literally all” allied units have “extremely threatening, lethal, absurdly high DPS” (direct quotes) at close range. I’d like to see examples of rear echelons’ (without 120 muni of weapon upgrades ofc) and combat engineers’ extremely high close range dps please, good luck XD

Use Sherman to wipe squads with HE shells. I don't play anymore on 4vs4 but the sherman is still a good call for a 1st tank, use it to wipe lone squad or hurt a blob, use its smoke canister to make a push etc...

+1

I like to go recon support and get Shermans primarily to fight infantry and flank tanks and rely more on at guns and some zooks (never on riflemen) as deterrence for tanks. It seems to save me a lot of bleed lategame as it gives my rifles some powerful anti infantry support that you wouldn’t get with Jacksons and forces them to counter your tanks when you go on offense.

Again, price literally means nothing. You can pay any price as long as you save up for it. The objectively unbalanced aspect of 222s is that they take damage from bullets. Less now, but they still get demolished by machine guns.

Meanwhile, Allied light armor gets to literally drive into your base, stand there and murder every single unit you have, and there is absolutely nothing you can do until you can bring out some kind of AT weapon. That is a HUGE THREAT to Axis players that Allied players absolutely never experience.



The OKW Flak Half-track? Yes, it's armored. It's part of the "EVERY other armored car in the entire game" that I mentioned. Which is why all 221s/222s taking bullet damage while being "armored cars" makes absolutely no sense.

What is so hard to understand about this whole scenario?

Being able to bring out vehicles that are COMPLETELY IMMUNE to bullet damage at a time in the match when literally not a single unit has any anti-tank damage capability on the field is an enormous, cataclysmic threat. It allows a single armored car or light tank to completely wipe the entire map clean of every single enemy infantry squad and lets the player take every single control point while the opponent sits in base waiting for an AT weapon.

And even when said AT weapon arrives, you can only barely claw back a single victory and fuel point with it, since bullet-immune armored cars and light tanks are fast and can patrol the entire map in no time at all, denying enemy infantry access to literally every other area not covered by an AT weapon while constantly devouring enemy munitions and being repaired over and over, then rinsing and repeating.

Do people just not understand the dynamics of the game? OKW has Raketenwerfers that can't be built early because you have to build enough infantry to hold ground, and Ostheer has absolutely no AT early. Meanwhile, every single Allied faction has handheld AT that allows all infantry units to be universal anti-infantry and anti-tank powerhouses that are never threatened by anything.

Making 221s/222s actually armored would be a tiny step in the direction of fixing this blatant imbalance.

Do you not know what a faust is?

Or, here's a crazy idea... make all 221s/222s ACTUALLY ARMORED like EVERY other "armored car" in the entire game.

But no, it's only Allies who get to drive around and into melee range of enemy infantry and instawipe them as long as there's no AT on the field. Why should all factions have the same threat and lethality? Clearly, all those Axis players don't deserve to pose a real threat.

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