Profile of moridin84

I'm thinking that people would probably blob less if HMGs (other than Soviet ones) didn't have such a wide arc of fire.

Even if you split up your troops they are probably both going to be suppressed unless you attack from a different angle or put them on opposite sides of the screen. And flanking is not always an option, sometimes a quick charge forward is required.

And HMGs suppress squads in yellow cover almost as quickly as in no cover, and jumping from cover to cover isn't possible when dealing with HMGs anyway.

Using a DPS comparison tool, it seems like PTRS conscripts are weaker under 10 range and stronger over 25.

Though not that much different either way.



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Anyway. I've actually been using tank hunters (almost solely) for the last few weeks and I really like it.

My infantry tends to be at least 3 conscripts/2 HMGs/2 mortars. Depending on the situation I might add another conscript or another HMG, possibly both.

Those conscripts are actually really dangerous if vehicles get too close to them. The second grenade consists of three grenades and doesn't home so it's very had to hit anything unless the vehicles come into "melee" range". However, they can be really devastating if they all hit. A single conscript squad can kill a light vehicle with just those two. Two sets of grenades from two conscript squads can kill a panzer IV.

And even without the grenades, the PTRS themselves are decent though to push back light vehicles and most tanks.

1 PTRS conscript > 1 light vehicle (exclude flame HTs and kiting luchs)
2 PTRS conscripts > P4
3 PTRS conscripts > Tiger

King Tigers... are a problem because of how they keep wiping squads.

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The downside of this is that I'm using conscripts which are terrible at infantry. That's why I always have 2-3 HMGs. If I want to fight any sort of infantry, I'll almost always try and pair the conscripts with a HMG, which I just attack move around. HMGs are a great normalizer.

And conscripts are useful for stopping guys charging/flanking HMGs. Flame grenades will stop that. Or at least give the HMG time to escape.

Conscripts/HMGs aren't great for killing squads or dealing with squads in heavy cover but that's what the mortar are for.

I think that I'm having an easier time dealing with infantry than when I was using guards/penals...

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Another nice thing is that conscripts and support weapons are really cheap. With penals/guards I was always struggling with manpower, Somethings I'd have to intentionally leave my infantry at my base without reinforcing for a while so I could get enough manpower to build a tank. I have a lot more leeway now, sometimes building caches because I don't have enough fuel and more infantry could be counter productive.

With the changes to guards & penals in the next patch, I am a bit concerned about their viability. So I thought about trying the tank hunter tactics commander.

The tank hunter tactics commander giving

2CP - RPG-40 Anti-Tank Grenade Assault
2CP - PMD-6M Anti-Vehicle Mines
3CP - Conscripts PTRS package
3CP - Engineer Salvage Kits
12CP - IL-2 PTAB Anti-Tank Bombing Run

Unlike with most anti-tank upgrades, conscripts seem to be a little better at anti-infantry with these PTRS, or at least they aren't much worse. So you can upgrade all your conscripts with it, giving you cheap infantry with acceptable anti-infantry and anti-tank capability that you can blob along with a HMG (or 2) and an AT gun.

The AT grenade assault ability is also really good if you can get close enough to tanks that they can't dodge them in time. It's on a separate cooldown so you can throw both them and your regular AT grenade. Let alone light vehicles, it's actually possible to deal with a Panzer IV with just a couple of conscript squads. Heavy tanks are still a problem, though.

I know that the Soviet infantry anti-infantry capabilities are being nerfed so I admit it's a bit strange to start using a commander that increases the conscript anti-tank capabilities. However, if you don't have to worry about tanks, then you can concentrate on dealing with infantry using other units such as HMGs.

I mostly play 2v2 with a USF teammate but I haven't tried playing with him using this commander (he is sick).


What does everyone else think?

With infantry, it is very difficult to figure out how effective they really are since situation varies depending on lots of different factors. Cover, upgrades, etc.

I am playing 2v2 with a USF teammate if that matters. Though I play 1v1 now and then.

I know what I'm asking is quite extensive so I don't really expect everyone to answer everything. Please just answer whatever you want, being as general or as specific as you like.

Soviet infantry list
- Engineer
- Engineer + Flammer
- Conscript
- Conscript + SMG upgrade
- Penal Battalion
- Penal Battalion + Flammer
- Guards Rifle
- Guards Rifle + LMG upgrade
- Shock Troops

So I'm unsure about a lot of things.

I know that Guards Rifle are weak anti-infantry without the LMG but how weak? As conscripts? Or weaker? And how much stronger are they with SMGs? As strong as penal battalions?

What about Penal Battalions? How much stronger are they than conscripts? I tend move then in closer range because of the flamers. However, they have rifles like conscripts (though better) right? Should I be keeping them at long or at least medium range?

I understand that shock troops are considered super awesome but what does that equate do? Like could one squad defeat two upgraded panzer grenadier squad?

My teammate plays the USF and loves infantry so a comparison between them and riflemen or paratroopers might help as well.

Wehr infantry list
Pioneer
Pioneer + Flamer
Grenadier
Grenadier + G43
Grenadier + MG32
Panzergrenadiers
Panzergrenadiers + G43
Osttruppen
Assault Grenadiers
Stormtroopers

OKW infantry list
Sturmpioneer
Volksgrenadiers
Volksgrenadiers + STG-44
Obersoldaten

Effective? Not.
Efficient? Yes.

They lack vet bonuses to become effective, but they can be efficient when vetted and spammed. Still being hardcountered by HMGs and any kind of vehicle with crush.

As for AT weapons from weapon racks, they always should be on cheapest possible squad-USF rifles being exception because of AT nade.

Infantry sections are countered by HMGs and vehicles with crush as well though, right? It's not like it's royal engineers specifically.

Well, using them as an assault squad before you give them brens... sooner or later their luck has to run out and they get squad-wiped on retreat, before getting their vet2.

The anvil engineers... that locks you into Anvil, plus you get wiped by nades.

But with brens, first one bren for each of two squads, later double allows them to pretty safely reach vet 2 and get the repair bonus, later on vet3, they avoid MP bleed

Giving double piats can work too, but you need to use attack ground order, and even then its extremely inaccurate.

Defensively, royal engineers and infantry sections are the same right? Though, I suppose that infantry sections die pretty easily in close range as well.

Royal engineers use SMGs so they don't do much damage at long range. If they are too dangerous to use at short range, does this mean I need avoid combat except an occasional +1 flank? Until I get brens at least. Does this mean I should actually prioritize getting brens on my royal engineers over my infantry sections?

Creating two royal engineers when they aren't a useful combat squad doesn't seem like a good idea. Or perhaps I shouldn't be getting my second royal engineer late game until I can put double PIATs or double brens on them.

Step 1: Get 3x Engineers
Step 2: Equip them with PIATS
Optional Step: Get an Officer
Step 3: Oorah into every hostile tank
Step 4: Get Vet3
Step 5: Oorah even better into everything
Step 6: ???
Step 7: Win.

Do you mean using the ability Oorah? I didn't think that they had that. Perhaps it's on one of the commanders I haven't gotten/played?

I've been wary about putting PIATs on infantry because I heard that they were bad but perhaps that was a mistake.


Hmm, now I'm starting to think it might be better to put PIATs on my royal engineers and ignore brens entirely. Unless they are going really heavy infantry and I'm using Anvil.