I tested it too; many times with a stopwatch and both lm and pwerfer. The panzerwerfer, starting at the sound of the very first rocket firing and ending when the very first rocket impacts, took around 5.7 seconds at max range. The lm, with the same conditions, took 3.9. 5.7 seconds is a lot different than 8 ullumulu. You may have counted the time it takes for the panzerwerfer to turn its turret, which takes about two seconds. The mattress is faster, but not as fast as you originally stipulated. Also, the mattress moves much slower and thus responds to targets of opportunity, like a blob, much slower than the panzerwerfer, and also has a much longer barrage, during which it is vulnerable, and a very long teardown time, still vulnerable there too. So yes, it is easy to steal, and yes, I wasn't lying, as you claim. As to the bigger wipe rate, the panzerwerfers rockets are much easier to shoot at minimum range due to the points I just mentioned, especially the speed and short barrage time, so all ten rockets can easily land in the same place. A land mattress should really never shoot from minimum range at any important target as it will be so very easily retaliated upon, but panzerwerfers can do it easily. Also, it has a much more concentrated and time on target barrage when compared to the mattress whose first few rockets will probably fall wide of a non-blob target, and whose barrage is extended and has a slower rate of fire. So unless you're a stupid team game blobber, panzerwerfer has more wiping potential. Can't wait to hear your next reply.
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only for u i made a video:
here is the proof:
time from first sound to bomb the first rocket to ground:
Comes at 8cp, and if you don't have brits T3 by 8cp (especialy in teamgames where rocket arty in general shines),there's something wrong; it used to come at 5cp (Opieop).
Also, it costs a lot of manpower, 350, which you can't just discount (yes the fuel cost is really cheap for some reason. Would definitely be ok with seeing it upped to 60-65 like stuka IIRC).
As to your first point, it often has to move pretty close to the front and is still very vulnerable to counterartillery (stukas especially). I understand that the retreat goes both ways, but a greedy landmattress (trying to get close to really punish a target) can turn into an axis land mattress pretty quick. There are occassions (mostly 1v1) where, through smart play, I was able to steal okw infantry support guns, which are a lot harder to kill with small arms fire.
WTF? Stuka cost 390Mp and 100(!!!!!) gas!
ISG is hard to kill with small arms?? wtf...which game do u play??
and to srteal a LM need a much dumb enemy brit...which use it in front of the front (wtf??)
you can bomb the enemy defence line from behind ur front (except u build ur front in ur base)
So somehow by having a bofors it extends the land mattresses range? Because it still had to roll right up to the front to barrage, and still has a long setup/teardown time. The thing is, I don't play blundering idiots like you, so they make smart plays sometimes. Hell, you could just dnipe it with a kt while it barrages. Bofors doesn't counter kt. As to lm being way cheaper, the fuel cost is, but it costs a ton of manpower, which is something allies are usually very starved for if they're playing right. You can't just discount that. When I don't play brits or usf I play wehr, which is easily the most vulnerable to the land mattress, but I get wiped about the same by it as other rocket arty. You can complain about how it shoots more rockets, but other rocket arty (cept katy) does it way faster, especially pwerfer, which leads to less warning time and more wipe potential. What do you do on your front line? Sleep? Usually you can see the lm setting up if it's barraging a concentration, and failing that, hear the first few rockets and retreat your troops or reposition your at guns (the at will probably get wiped but then you can revere just like lm).
u lie in every single post. i testet it: a PW need 6-8 sec from the first sound to bring a rocket to ground...the LM often under 4sec!! same range to the target.
an PW has a bigger wiping rate?? wtf?? are u kidding us? it pins unit..not more..only RNG can wipe ur units..but--this is only luck...or ur units was under 30%
make a poll about this...i bet the brit lovers come and tell you that is fine...cause the have a bad mg...and they need the trench to deal with all the OP infantery from ost Oo
Exactly you idiot. It can't retreat. Which is why it's so EASY TO STEAL. How does that not make sense? Mortars and hmgs can retreat to avoid being stolen. So land mattress is easy to steal. Sure if you try to go all commando on their ass and steal it while it's behind their lines it won't work, but if you roll up with a decent or sizable force during its 20+ second period of vulnerablility and loud advertisement of existence (long setup/teardown time + long and noisy barrage) then you wil probably steal it. It has the shortest range of all artillery units in the game, and is infantry crewed. If you can't steal it, just destroy the gun after you kill the three tommies manning it (4th guy doesn't count as after three it's considered abandoned). So yeah, it is easy to steal, or, failing that, completely destroy. May I remind you that that is 350mp down the drain for a faction that doesn't have cheap infantry in any sense.
Ah...now i understand...u think the LM is not behind the front...and there is no bofors, and the brit player is a fully dumb idiot, who think like a monkey and play like dead horse.
ah..i dont know in which skill level you play...but the most brit player (me included) know that the LM must behind the front and should be save by a bofors and a pak...
and should be run after its barrage...and dont should stay at the the same place (only noobs do that)
And this is different than other rocket arty because...
I tell you the differences:
- its much cheaper than other rocket artis
- its comes earlier than the most others
- it shot much more rockets (PW: 10 // LM: 30)
- its easy recrewable after a counter barrage (other rocket artie will be destroeyed in most cases)
- its deal alot more dmg than othe rocket artis
- its easy spamable cause of cheapness
Tell me, have you ever used a Land Mattress? Or any British unit for that matter?
Yeah...yesterday the last time. It is ever game the same...build 2 of them..and own the enemy line with this beast....3-4 strikes on OKW base trucks...and the will left the game.
if u manage to save the LM behind ur lines.. (its easy with a bofos&pak in their back) u can bomb the enemy back into the stoneage. nothin speacial skill need...the LM wipes all.
And the other 75% are axis players. You'd have to be insane to think land mattress is worth complaining about. Don't forget the 350 manpower and its tiny range coupled with long setup time, long barrage time (mixed blessing) and vulnerable infantry crew, which means its really really easy to steal. Like really easy. Easiest unit in the game to steal.
what a big fail from you...it is the easiest unit to steal?? I dont want to blame u..but this unit can`t retreat...and every unit which can retreat is much easier to steal than LM.
u cant steal it in 2v2 or above..to many enemy units will kill ur models after take it.
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