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Thread: OKW Command Panther veterancy is a bit broken26 Mar 2016, 10:51 AM I realy dont understand this discussion. Before I start, a disclaimer; vet 5 is dumb. You NEVER reach vet 5 in any game of any skill as it is over before. Its still dumb to have vet 5. As far as I care they can scrap vet 5. I never reached it anyways, replace it with a 20 % reload on cp or something. They can replace it with an ability to fart pink ponies for again, you dont reach it. Already vet 3 is very rare. I cindly ask those people who say it needs nerfing so bad to simply play a few games with the CP and actualy reach those vet levels... I have attached a video of a CP reaching vet 4.5 and I still loose. Granted my mate was not up to the challenge but thats then exactly how it should be eh? The truth is you cant skip the last tech with any commander atm as you simply need obers and/or tanks. You might do it with pfüssiliers and jagdtiger but thats about it and I dont advise it either. And once you have t1/t2 and t3 up it is a mere 120 +65 or 55 fuel more for a KT. I have analised the CP in more detail in my last post. But again, yes it is a good unit, no it needs atleast 2 other tanks to be stronger than just a regular panther, not counting mark vehicle which is very strong but costs munitions. Thanks to mark target the CP is always worth it over a normal panther which is fine as it costs more and is the defining unit of the commander. Why wouldnt it be good? The elefant, isu, jagdtiger/tiger are also all way more effective/price than stock units. If this werent the case then why have doctrines? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Command Panther veterancy is a bit broken24 Mar 2016, 10:37 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 10:17 AMKatitof Aaaactually, 50 sight range alone makes it superior. But the unit is fine. I agree. Thats why I wrote that at vet 2 or below they are approximatly equal. The CP slightly better but also costing slightly more. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Command Panther veterancy is a bit broken24 Mar 2016, 08:52 AM Ahhh finally a discussion about one of my favourite units. The commando panther. Now to start to one has to look at all the facts about it. At vet 0 it is an ordinary okw panther with the bonuses from its vet 0 aura (the ONLY bonus the CP gives itself, 2 CPs give each other their aura but it does NOT stack on units that already have the aura, it simply alternates between the 2 CPs auras depending on which one is nearer i assume) The vet 0 aura is +20 sight range, +10% speed, +10% ac/de-celeration. The sight is useful. It can spot for itsself. Its not that much more than useful though as often you use combined tactics in which sight range is already given through other units. At vet 1 it gets blitz, identical to the normal panther. At vet 2 it gets +20% accuracy to its aura and +10% armour, +20% health, +10% weapon rotation speed for itsself. The normal panther gets the same but 40 % weapon rotation speed. So in the end the CP trades in 30 % weapon rotation speed against a 20 % accuracy At vet 3 the CP gains 10% reload, +10% rotation speed, +10% ac/de-celeration Opposed to the nornal Panther getting -30% reload, +20% rotation speed, +30% ac/de-celeration. The CPs aura gains -20% reload. So you trade 20 % reload 10 % rotationspeed and 20% acc amd deexcelleration vs a 20 % reload aura. At vet 4 the CP gains nothing for itself as well as at vet 5 while the normal panther gets +10% range -25% scatter and at vet 5 +25% accuracy on the move, +11 sight radius vs the aura of +5 range and at vet 5 finaly infantry affected too. Now remember, the AURA of the CP does not affect the CP, exception beeing the vet 0 aura, what does this mean? This means that by itsself based on stats the CP is inferior to the normal panther at any vet over vet 2 beeing almost identical at vets below or at that. This also means that a panther and a CP duo at over vet 2 is weaker than a simple double normal panther duo. If you have 3 tanks the setup with the CP is favoured. Now keep in mind that the CP also has substantialy higher vet requirements than the normal panther whilst doing LESS dps from vet 3 on as it only get 10 % reload vs 30%. As a sidenote, there are also -5% reload bulletins for the Panther whilst the CP just has 5% top speed. The CP has a saving grace beeing mark target. It is very strong and alows the CP to stay competitive IF spammed. If used with other units it can be extremly potent. Tldr: The CP is worse than a normal panther by itsself for a higher cost and higher vet requirements. You need approximatly 3 tanks counting CP or 2 tanks benefiting from the aura for the CP to pull ahead of a normal panther. Mark target is what makes the CP better than a normal panther even though tje above mentioned limitations. A vet 5 cp is sick! But though I love the CP and play it a lot I have never had one. I would have many old replays of cps in action but due to patches they cant be watched anymore. I do have 1 on youtube though where i get a vet 4.5 cp thanks to some lucky rng, and guess what? We still loose the game. Also, please take note how long the game is and how little time if it the CP actualy is above vet 3 and how damn lucky i got... https://youtu.be/AWQ1pCMdGIE Seeing as the CP is the commander defining unit i think its role as beeing all together a better panther for higher cost ok. Its by itself quite a lot worse than an ordinary panther for higher cost but it scales with the amount of tanks and it has mark target. As for 4v4... well... there are many units who scale a lot better in those modes, all rocket artillery for example, or a sturmtiger etc... And last but not least. The british command vehicle gives the stronger buffs to infantry and tanks from the get go for only 75 min. It does half all the stats from the carrier but if its an aec or carrier who cares. -30 reload, +30 acc -30 rec. Acc. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rocket artillery vs. Howitzer artillery20 Mar 2016, 01:44 AM I would like to add in that for those people who wish to buff artillery it would be good to take a look into this thread. https://www.coh2.org/topic/48873/the-state-and-design-of-artillery/page/1#post_id486514 I made an in depth analysis why artillery shouldnt be any better than it is now and why most rocket artillery is far better than it should be. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 1v1 / 2v2 - Anyone using Churchills?16 Mar 2016, 10:54 AM What is a regular churchill?? All I ever see is Crocs and very rarely (by myself) avres. Is this a new commander that I've missed? Seriously though, there is a reason you never ever see it in any high ranked game. People say it acts as a meatshield, for what? Your firefly? Either your opponent has the same range like the firefly and targets it directly or he hasent and just drives by your churchill. If its only sight you care about there are many more easier options. The churchill was strong pre nerf, i honestly didnt find it OP then either, 2 stugs ate it alive and were so happy for their "earned" vet 3. The same with okw's jp4 or commando panther. Not to speak of elefant and jagdtiger... Yes, it would shred packs and shreckblobs for the unprepared. But in that regard it was little different then an US player going for sherman spam and a tiger shows up. Sometimes you just need to adapt to counter and that doesnt make a Unit OP. And with it beeing tied to the last tech its not like it shows up midgame or you dont see the opponent is going for late game tanks. It was barely acceptable when they nerfed its armour. But when they nerfed its armour, increased the price and fixed the grenade (which was the nr 1 reason the churchill got any cind of meaningful kills) it got outright useless for its cost. Even on the topic of heavy engineers, they have a cost and a very noteable weaknes with their speed, thats almost a meere sidegrade. I know that even ig it were attainable without tech i would by far not always give it to my sappers. There are many units that dont pull their weight, but in the churchills case its sad as it is a)the main reason for a endgame tech decicion unlike for example penals who are in the sniper building as well and t1. And b) it used to be good. So it did work once. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I bow my head before you relic! A job well done11 Mar 2016, 19:18 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2016, 11:16 AMKreatiir I have to +1 this. Salt2.org God I realy love some of the comunity members In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: I bow my head before you relic! A job well done11 Mar 2016, 07:33 AM I hope a relic employe gets to see this before it gets flooded of the boards with other posts demanding more attention. With all the complaining beeing done and a lot of it rightfuly so, with ever new bugs coming out, some of which you truly scratch your head and wonder whether even a single test game has been made before releasing a patch, I wanted to tell you my imense gratitude for 1 thing I am extremly pleased with. The new matchmaking system I have played about 20 games or so since you last patched it. And I must congratulate you for an immensly satisfactory change. I played on my own as rank 1-3 okw 2v2 random and I might have had to wait for 15 minutes for it to find a suitable game which ofc hurts me as I often only have an hour to play at a time but I am faced with and against fair odds. The same with my 2v2 at team with my rl buddy arround rank 150 to 100, search times are much shorter and the games very enjoyable. A few examples Alone I had anything ranging from R2, R1 vs R10, R20 to R1, R200 vs R40, R70 With my mate it was even better. Not a single game was mire than 50 ranks apart. This is a huge change in my eyes as it avoids 2 immensly important issues for this game. 1 is the loss of new players due to them beeing matched up vs experienced ones, (the 10 placement games still can be harsh, they should realy add a popup when you are in the placement games to inform you about this) and the frustration coming from beeing overrun in 10 minutes. The second is the loss of veteran players who after a streak of beeing matched up in unfair games (i once had myself as rank 3 with a rank 1200 vs AT team 11, i went to rank 15..., meaning approx 5-15 wins needed to compensate for that) loose too much of their rank and just quit. I bow my head to you Relic on this one. Ps: I would personaly love to know the exact mechanism if possible. Is it percentage based or simple your rank +-a number. Does it still widen the search with time? If so, is there a limit to the widening or am I still advised to restart the search if no opponent has been fpud after quite a while to avoid beeing matched in one of those ludicrus games again. Thanks a lot In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Infantry Sections, Cover Bonuses and Design7 Mar 2016, 15:55 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2016, 14:49 PMSpinflight "It is true for example that double equipped RE's are not the same strength as double equipped IS." From looking at stats maybe. Same with stats showing 222% or whatever for abilities which cost you 4 minutes worth of munitions to be gifted to the nearest Ober. Real game is different and engineers comfortably beat IS in my experience. Unless that is you are merely talking defensively, in which case you have to wonder when you are ever going to attack. Then you have a different experience from mine. How do your RE beat the IS handily? They do 85% less damage with double bren and if you strip away the brens the comparison favours the IS even more. An IS also works with only 1 bren, RE dont. I agree that stats and actual performance ingame are not the same but in this case I believe the actual difference is even bigger ingame than the stats show. I have yet to use RE effectively as mainline inf myself or have them used against me, and I was rank 1 with brits and rank 1 against brits with okw. RE with double piat is another story... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Infantry Sections, Cover Bonuses and Design7 Mar 2016, 14:19 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2016, 11:41 AMvarunax Oh right, I forgot that offensive vet was always working since day 1 of CoH2. But what do I know. I'm just going by numbers I saw once and my in game experiences. Some1's beeing salty... do you want to truly argue like that? I know that offensive vet didnt work since months and that IS and RE didnt get their devensive vet either... but that will all change on the 9th. So do you realy want to make a fuss about it now? And the numbers thing is because I actualy did bother to look them up once, they havent changed since and I simply dont remember them by heart and cant find the time to look them up atm. Doesnt change that when I argue about a units performance its normaly built on actual knowledge and not just some random opinion and when I dont know I dont make claims but inquiries first. It is true for example that double equipped RE's are not the same strength as double equipped IS. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Infantry Sections, Cover Bonuses and Design7 Mar 2016, 10:16 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2016, 08:33 AMSvanh It's not a matter of sheer DPS as it is economic efficiency. You are correct when you say that a fully vetted and upgraded IS (5-man, dual Bren) will have significantly more long-range DPS than an equivalent RE squad (5-man, dual Bren). An Infantry Section Bren has slightly more than double the long-range DPS of a standard IS model so dual-equipping the squad effectively adds 50% to the squad's long-range DPS. The IS vet 3 rifles add roughly 10% to DPS, for a total DPS increase of 185% (100% + 50% Brens + 10% vet 3 rifles + 25% extra man) before the 20% accuracy bonus (end total: 222%). Infantry Sections also become roughly 30% more durable with veterancy. On the other hand, Royal Engineers have effectively no initial long-range DPS for 1.5 times the close-range DPS. A squad costs 75% of an IS squad and uses 1 less population initially. The Engineer Bren does roughly twice the long-range DPS of the scoped IS rifles for a total long-ranged DPS of 120% of an IS for a dual-equipped squad. At veterancy 3 (dual Bren, 5-man) the RE squad is roughly 50% more durable (15% more than a vet 3 IS squad) and costs 46% of an IS model to reinforce. In addition, if you decide to go with Anvil, the Heavy Engineer upgrade adds the equivalent of an IS Bren while doubling the squad's durability for a total of 170% of the long-range DPS (120% from Engineer Brens, 50% from Vickers K), 75% of the close-range DPS (even while moving because of the Sten's 100% moving accuracy), 300% of the durability, 46% of the reinforcement cost and 1-2 less pop. Obviously there are a few caveats here. The Heavy Engineer upgrade locks you out of the Comet and makes your engineers slower in combat (more likely to be grenaded/crushed). A single fully upgraded RE squad costs 210 manpower and 190 munitions (without marginal side upgrade costs) versus the Infantry Section's 280 and 120. At the same time, we are comparing DPS in percentages of a standard IS squad's in-cover DPS and the Heavy Engineer upgrade also significantly increases your RE's repair rate in addition to the bonus they receive with veterancy. The most obvious caveat is that these are back-of-the-envelope calculations with rough percentages. What can we conclude from this massive over-analysis? The problem with Infantry Sections and Royal Engineers is one of scaling and optimal choices. My proposed change to the IS cover bonus would only slightly address the problems this identifies (weapon upgrades better on REs, lacklustre IS offensive veterancy, ridiculous RE veterancy reinforcement cost reductions, Heavy Engineer Terminators etc.) but would help adjust faction design to something more intuitive. A good way to think of it is that Infantry Sections are main-line infantry if you don't have or aren't buying weapon upgrades. Past that point, Royal Engineers gradually become a better choice, depending on your munitions income/costs and your manpower supplies. Thank you for your trouble! Much appreciate it. This correlates with my knowledge so far and my ingame experience. I havent tried tripple lmg RE since quite a while so was nice to see it again. I still dont agree that they can replace IS easily. You state that IS at vet 3 double bren have 222% of a 4 man vet 0 IS squads dps and that RE double bren have 120 % of the same. That is still a very sizeable difference. The RE are 15 % more durable as you stated due to the vet 2 rec acc modifier I assume? -23 vs -30 % if I am not mistaken as they both start with 0.8 rec acc. So yes. They are a lot cheaper with vet 3 and they are a bit tankier. But they dish out a lot less too. The IS does 85% more so almost double for in comparison less grave loss of survivability. A few more thoughts on this. The IS has its effectiveness as a combat squad from the get go. Improving on its combat role with every bren they aquire whilst the RE start as a cqc unit and they need the double bren to be even considered as a long/medium range dps unit, the first bren put them in an awkward position were they arent good at either. In a game you cannot afford to not have Infantry untill you have enough mun to double equip them, so what do you do? Spam snipers and vickers gradualy building RE as your munition income allows it? Build RE and use them as CQC units and suffering the consequences? Build IS and RE and slowly let the IS die of? All of these are not very satisfactory for me. This gets even more prominent with the heavy engineers. If we ignore their flaws with the movement speed and the very grievious counter measures they are vulnerable to. They would be an acceptable side/upgrade to the IS with only marginaly less dps but a lot more surivability and again less reinforcement cost. But even more so in this case. You need 190 mun and anvil researched to reach that point. Before that they are like desrcibed above. They reach this point in a rather late part of the game by which most will already be decided. Tldr: vet 3 hammer RE with tripple lmg is better than IS with a few exploitable weaknesses. And vet 3 double lmg RE is an ok alternative for double IS especialy as they dont drop weapons. But both of those are a lot worse than IS on their way there which is rather important for the gameflow. In: COH2 Gameplay