Profile of MajorBloodnok

It's not a daft idea- it's what COHO was implementing. You had to decide what bulletins you wanted, and what part of the Commander tree you wanted to develop.Albeit many decried the COHO system, I think it was more sophisticated than the Commander system we now have to deal with.

Ofc,Relic had a play-to-win system with some units, but most posters I knew never had to bother with buying anything (although COHO only ran for a shorter period than the current game) bcs you could win elite units by chance- purple, from memory

It was said- I never believed it - that COHO was unpopular. Well, it certainly was unpopular with the "Pros" - the sh*t you see bandied about here for CoH2 was just the same for COHO, except the whiners - the disentitled - could only complain about paying to win - they could not complain about the fact they could play the game for free.

3v3 and 4v4 were well supported,and the Relic Official Forums were much busier than they currently are.

COHO had a first class caster in the form of Harlequin - eloquent, committed, numerate, and a premier entertainer and communicator.

And do you know what? Relic threw it all away....under pressure from the vCoH Pros.

That's why, IMO, Pros only get a limited hearing now from Relic. Too many vCoh Pros-and wannabePros are often self-obsessed, full of their desire for a superior fame -and make no mistake about it - they see the bulk of players as necessary for target practice, as well as bolstering their leaderboard positions.

When I first joined GameReplays 4.5 years ago,I came across"Smurfs Honour" It took me some weeks to realise that this meant a "Pro" was smurfing - and winning - and would have to concede a game he was to winning, so the losing "Pro" would not suffer a leaderboard loss.It was corrupt.But if you pointed it out, the mods jumped on you.

vCoH was a hard game to master -but enjoyable- yet it never had popular support until the humble bundle, when players could spend little cash to experiment and lose(often)

CoH2 - I think - is an attempt to rectify the imbalances in skill levels and wrest the game away from the "elite" and their kling-ons- the wannabes.

If only Relic had had the confidence to realise their COHO commander system was not as bad as the raging Pros suggested.............

More than likely new commanders that are about to grace us with their presence are again going to make the game unbalanced.

: I hope not, but I like your sense of humour!

I too hope that they lay off the DLC and focus on game balance and improving the game rather than adding more units and abilities via new commanders.

Amen to that. Logically, we should expect them to correct the excesses of the previous commanders,before introducing any more.

Although here, I have to say that (IMO) the Soviet Industry on its own is not so much to blame,but rather the ineffectiveness of the Elite. i.e. with Soviet Industry, the T70s take the edge of the paks, the KV-8 fries the pioneers obtained in expectation of the Tiger, a mere T34 rams the poor Tiger rendering it next to useless, and the KV-2 rolls up for the glorious finish. The Elite have an enormous gap before attaining CP7 for a 3 Star Tiger. I think one way to remedy this might be to cut off the 3 star vet and reduce the CP for Tiger to 6. Then get rid of one of the "holding" levels like Jaeger Light Infantry and sub it with a Command Tank at CP4. German mines should also be no more difficult to lay than Soviet traps, but I don't know if that creates further balance issues.

But anyway here are my predictions:

• Off map German infantry call in of some kind.
  
• Some sort of Soviet Ace.
  
• An Ostheer equivalent to Soviet Industry/A more armour focused doctrine.
  
• More skins.
  
• Balance fixes that will be countered by new commanders and units.
  

I think they should now swap the least used free Commanders, for some of the others they are developing, and leave the DLC for infantry skins or tank skins

Very good!

I have read through these pages with interest. The phrase "The view was better from the plane" comes to mind, as I try to envision (dread word)the mindset of many of those who landed in Vancouver, on a guest pass,fully paid.

I highly doubt if many of those who visited Relic (with apparent relish) will receive a return invite. What is the point of feeding the hand which bites you? Would you,as an CM, like to answer to the SEGA CEO (or his minions) and say why?

You might argue that it is better to have the disentitled in the tent pissing out,rather than on the outside pissing in. But many of the disentitledd seem already to have made their own choice.

There is a discipline lacking on this site. It is a site apparently set up to support CoH2. Very well then. Let it ostensibly be so.

I fully accept that behind the scenes,there may well be representations about the evolution of CoH2. But I do not want to come here and resd incessant negative bleatings from the disentitled. I do not want this site to be used to perpetuate a self-seeking minority oligarchy. That is what CoH2 set out to dissemble. If you did not understand that,then you read the pre-blurb with rose-tinted spectacles.

I have always understood it to be that CoH wanted a wider player base, which was not so inhibiting for a novice to master. In this way, Relic,as a non-charitable institution, might seek to profit (in a way that the original game never apparently did) and keep its new game alive(and its studio), with balance patching based on new sales of skins, commanders etc

It therefore makes no commercial sense at all, to me, that some here on this forum and recommend the destruction of CoH2, believing in their wildest dreams that the powers-that -be will revert to vCoH and produce a further patch. You think I talk nonsense? OK then.

Tell me,if you reply, how SEGA/Relic will make any money at all by scrapping CoH2 and patching vCoH. It is a pipe dream, nothing more. . Unless, ofc, you advocate making people pay for the new patch for vCoH, by refusing them entry to vCoH unless they pay. Can you hear the howls of (mostly) North American anguish?

" I paid 50 bucks for this game. I aint paying no more"

" This game aint FTP. I paid $50.00 6 years ago. I expect full support, for free, till the day I drop"

In your wildest dreams!

Put simply, (for the simplest): you will not be able to continue your muscling. You either accept reality,muscle down,accept the bad with the smooth and await a good outcome
(which will come) and tone down your acerbic comments. or else push the game to the point of no-return and lose the whole damned lot.

Are you that nihilist? Some of you, I regret,may be so

what's the big deal already( unless the issue is what you got with your collectors edition, which does seem disappointing to me).

As to DLC commanders, from my perspective, whether I get a new commander or I end up playing against one, every time relic adds them, they add content to the game for me to enjoy, even if its simply in the new challenges I have to run up against.

There is almost certainly going to be price reductions for these older commanders down the line, when there are new shinier options for the people who are most eager for new material to purchase. I'm sure relic/sega will want to maximize their returns on these, so that once the first round of buyers have had these for 6 months or so at a premium, others will be given access at a more modest price.

It could be a year before I even really start using the new commanders at the rate I"m going, but I did just buy 20 dollars worth, mostly to support the company in the mean-time. Hell, if this is the only model that gets companies to invest in the future of RTS games these days, then I'm willing to put some money towards generating confidence in the product.

And Pay-to-play arguments are balance arguments only....nobody can ever bring more than 3 commanders into any match. If things are balanced properly, whatever commanders you pick, you are restricted from using any others, so nobody in the context of a single game, will have more actual options than anybody else. You will have different access,not better access, unless something is broken, and if that is the case, it won't stay that way forever.

Regarding skins, I couldn't really care less. Because I couldn't care less, the price could be cheaper, but then I still couldn't care less. The price is set for people who want the skins enough to pay for them. Coh1 didn't have alternative skins and there wasn't a whole lot of bitching about that fact.

+1

And I highly doubt if many are buying new face plates either.

The best argument I have read for pricing review, is that new entrants to the game may be put off by the accumulated high price to play catch-up. But as others have indicated,a price slash on the older versions will put paid to that fear. For myself, I foresee that continued addition of Commanders has to slow down, since the Commander icons (until this patch) are simply too confusing.

If I had to guess, I would guess that the next dlc target will be infantry skins. I don't have an issue with that.