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Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2016, 16:13 PMButcher

Don´t build the T-34. Don´t build the SU-85.

Take a T-34/85 doctrine. Later try to mass multiple T-34/85s.

Another viable thing is using the lend lease doc and Spam M4 Shermans without teching.

Go for short engagements on different parts of the map. Try to kill infantry squads and stay mobile. If you don´t, you will get defeated by a Pak wall or a Schreck blob. The art to master Soviet tanks is to only go for short engagements, before the enemy can concentrate his AT weapons on your tank. Shoot and scoot. The biggest weakness of this however is Teller-mine spam.

I prefer going for a doctrine that offers viable mediums + the conscript repair kit (lend lease + advanced warfare). This comes in handy if you like conscript spam.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 06:37 AMElSlayer

Looks interesting. And reasonable. Replay, perhaps?

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 10:51 AMVipper

Let me start by saying that this is conceptual idea so any number presented here might be off and and I focused more on the idea and not numbers.

Problems:
Penals have been proven rather difficult to be useful. When compared to conscripts they have far less utility, are more expensive and they even come with a tech cost.

They are compared to conscript a more elite troops although that does not fit their historical role.

Aim: To make penal a unit that see more usage and better fits it history. Historically they where used more like cannon fodder than "elite" troops.

How to: By reducing the utility of conscript, by giving a new role to Penal and by retaining the flexibility of Soviet tech.

Faction changes:
Penal move to T0 conscripts move to T1.

Changes to conscripts:
Conscripts can no longer ourah or merge, the Molotov is replaced by a grenade (with or without a tech cost). Some price adjustments or performance (size DPS) might be needed.

Changes to Penal:
Cost down to 200, they get ourah (vet 0 or vet 1), Molotov, satchel, mabe AT grenade or satchel becomes easier to use vs vehicles and merge. They can also benefit from other doctrinal abilities like "hit the ground" and rapid conscription returns Penals.

Other abilities the benefit less from cover yellow green and garrison (80-90%) they also are penalized less from red and take reduced suppression (80-90%). Could even get better firing modifier while firing on the move.

They come with 3 mosin 3 PPsh (a bit worse than conscripts at mid maybe better at range 0).

Their role is to frontally attack the enemy using their molotovs and satchel and to reinforce other units via merge.

Problem: Forces Soviet to go T1 to have access to conscripts
Solution: AT certain level of veterancy (vet1 or vet2)or is built Penals can "redeem" themselves and for 40 manpower be upgraded to conscripts.
If T2 is built conscript can be built at HQ and Penals can be redeemed.

As I posted in begging this is only conceptual approach and there might be flaws in it. But in my opinion and gives penal a viable role, it gives Soviets more starting options and make them feel more like the WWII Soviet army that did use cannon fodder tactics...