Profile of achpawel

Von had the game won, then threw it away by going Pwerfer. Had he gone StuGG&Ostwin or Brummbar and Pak he’d have won easily.

Please stop making balance complaints when you can’t even understand what you’re looking at.

Agreed. Big mistake on his part.

Building wehrfers and generally going tier 4 was his mistake. Backteching to paks with resources spent on anything from tier 3 would have sealed the deal.

But his early game was fantastic

Balancewise it confirms Imperial Dane's rants tbh about tier 4 being just overpriced and not giving much in return.

Any fans of 200manpower jeep? (With crew, repair, crits, capping, long range mg, mark target, ability to crew with infantry, muni free rocket engine) None of the fanboys has seen it somewhere? Perfectly balanced. Nothing special about a standard t0 unit. Just ok...

... and axis fanboys always just complain.

And I am sure there are a lot of things that Soviets want that Wehr has. Like free nade tech, LMG unlocks, grenades, actual infantry AT weapons that can damage mediums and heavies instead of only tickling them, premium non doctrinal tanks etc.

But you started such comparisons - I was just replying. I don;t agree with 'free' abilities for ost. They have to tech up to build a structure - they pay twice. Instead aother factions (such as soviets) have to pay for molotovs and at nades. It is simple - what you are trying to prove here ('free' nades etc.) is close o manipulation.

But the connection with grenades is huge. Grenades allow you to turn Munitions resource into manpower bleed for the enemy and can kill squads in the blink of an eye. They often force retreats on full health units. This feature is entirely missing from the soviets non-doctrine line up, which is why the soviets get a field gun instead of an AT gun, to turn munitions into manpower bleed and force retreats just like rifle nades do.

These are basics everybody knows. You want to turn munitions into manpowerbleed using very potent zis barrage - that is simply too much for an at gun. Use units that are designed to deal with infantry - not at guns.

Coming back to ZIS - it used to be much worse at dealing with tanks compared to pak (original game design with Sov being much less specialist but having more utility - then barrage made sense). Pak got nerfed over the years (stun shot for example), while zis got beter at at duties. It stil retained its utility (larger crew and barrage). It is too potent now when the AT performance is has is more than satisfactory.

I would be fine with the removal of the barrage in return for proper non-doctrinal grenades. How about Conscript Rifle nade unlock if you build T1 or 2 and a guard-grenade for Penals?

Because I don't really see why OST should be able to launch pin-point accurate no-fuse grenades at team weapons from long range when Soviets get nothing remotely like that.

The grenade discrepency is why I believe the ZIS barrage is fine as it is.

We only thought of moving it to vet1. I really don't see the connection with grenades. It is a completely different story. What you are suggesting might lead to total imbalance. Hoorah, tripwire, molotovs, satchels, ptrs oenals with good at/ai combination, snipers vs 4 men squads, merge, etc. You really have a lot of unique tools as Soviets. There are ost players who would love to have satchels, flame nades, etc.

Ost has a better barrrage actual nades and cqc inf non doc to deal perfectly fine with 6 men teams. The p4 can kill inf teams faster then t34 can. Axis inf have better dps to deal with bigger squads as well. You know they balanced it this way. You use mortars flanking inf nades etc to deal with at gun, nit just run towards them and fuck m up. Esp not when supported.
If you cant do that its on you. If you stay still and get hit by the barrage its on you. its no excuse to nerf the zis.

Ost has only 4 men and 340 manpower panzergrens - very fragile compared to Soviets and often dropping models. They are good but looking at their cost penals, for example, are better.

P4 is not that better at killing inf teams (especially when they are larger). Again looking at the cost difference, t3476 is a better tank to do deal with mg42 or even an unsupported pak (+ fewer models on them) than p4. I don;t even want to mention how potent t70 is against them.

The zis and pak start out simaler vs mediums. The fact ost and axis in general has a far easier time getting heavier armour somehow elludes you. At that moment the difference in zis and pack become clear. The pak will penn easier still. Can support armour better because of its vet ability. The zis falls behind in at at that point.

Not true. ZIS will support armour in exactly the same way or even better because it will be able to barrage supporting AT infantry squads, and will be able to stay longer under mortar/infantry fire. It wil also be merged into if there is a need to do so retaining its vet. Paks are cleared way more easily.

Now i know you will ignore this. no non doc nades no non doc ai upgrade, worse barrage on the mortar lower pen thus worse at prefornance vs higher armoured targets, all non doc still. Because docs fill in gaps as you should know. That is why the zis and also the su76 are multyrole.

The pen is around 2% higher on pak - it is nothing (bulletin level), and the only advantage it gives is that ppl keep repeating that pak is best - just a myth.

But you have a lot of non doc nades including powerful satchels. Fire grenades are great against team weapons and garrisons. Use it with hoorah and you close in on most targets. Also soviets are unique as they get very potent infatry squads with grenades in almost all commanders.

You say that weapon teams are its counter. And your inf gets raped by it. Again dont stand still dont walk into it. The barrage is for static targets, if your pgren volks whetever gets hit bye it you are unlucky or fucked up.

Of course you won't stay long in the place when the barrage happens. But you will probably take damage and it can deny capping and so on. It is another illogical argument. Everybody dodges grenades etc. We are only writing about the fact that the ability is still borderline OP and should be moved to vet1. Many players also believe that it is just too stron on a good AT weapon.

Sov do build more powerfull units to counter heavier armour because they need to every game. Axis can get 240 armour minumum every game. Soviets only via doctrines, other wise they are stuck at 160 armour.

But Soviets have SU85 stock to counter those heavioes. Remeber that heavies are expensive. Remember that stock, it is only OKW that has those heavies. Still it is not related to barrage as You seem to suggest it is.

The fact that only when some one else bring it up that the siz barrage is to potent, and only then you feel the same way says it all. You never noticed before. Because it has not been to potent since launch. They changed and nerfed it already last patch.

I noticed and used it successfuly. I would creep with an infantry covered zis and use it close range to get insta wipes. It is really easy, especially that it will also scare vehicles away.

And you can have 2 "cheap units" counter a expensive unit. Esp when their focus is mostly or completly ai or ai. And also when their total cost is equal or more then the single expensive unit.

That you think otherwise shows that you are an entitled indevidual. With no real interest in real balance. I am done talking with you.
Happy trolling sir.

This is just nonsense - I believe it is ok for 2 cheap units to counter an expensive unit - this is what I wrote. I don't know why you suggest otherwise.

I'm not trolling. You seem to be mixing a lot of irrelevant arguments related to other units when discussing ZIS barrage.