Profile of Alexzandvar

Roflmao, who need a soft AT when you can have a hard AT tier 2. Build a pak. 222 is a light unit that counter light units, it is a dedicated AT light unit countering dedicated AI light units. The unit isn't aimed to counter by itself medium vehicles but you can use it in combination with other AT units. Too hard for you? and you call yourself a good player

Like Katikif says, it has been meta for Allied faction for months facing early Puma/Luch/Ostwind. This is probably why it doesn't seem incredibly hard to manage for people playing Allied factions.

The 222 cannot counter anything other than a M20 or M3, it's extremely fragile. And the problem is that Pak's aren't supposed to counter light vehicles. They aren't mobile so unless one accidentally drives deep into the arc of the gun (but not to deep were it can just circle around) it ain't going to die.

Relying on 222's won't work for countering light vehicles.

Why do Volks and grens need this? Grens aren't supposed yo counter light armor because you already have paks, 222s, and Pshrecks in t2 to do the job for you. If you choose to not tech and use your factions at, you have Noone to blame but yourself. You dont see usf lt players or t1 soviet players complaining that they get hard countered by vehicles.

Except none of those things were made for countering light vehicles. The 222 can't do it because it's to fragile and dies extremely easily to concentrated small arms fire, the Shrek is easy to kite with, and yes it meant for supporting your other things but in a close 1v1 or 2v2 game you won't have enough a lot of shreks out in the opening minutes of a match.

Shreks are only good for fighting light vehicles if your enemy is really bad at micro or just get's unlucky and drives around a corner. You are far, far better off investing those munitions into mines. And I see USF players complaining literally every 5 minutes on this forum for months so lol.

And Soviet T1's lack of anti-vehicle can be compensated for by call in infantry such as Guards. Or just building T2 or rushing T3. Since the Quad shits all over enemy lights and the SU-76 can do that as well.

So in other words, they are stuck doing exactly what usf has been doing? USF has to go captain tier, since their LT tier gets murdered by 222s and okw period. Getting counters is part of the game. You have no business complaining that you have to get counters for certain units, especially when you have easy access to counters for vehicles that also cost fuel to use.

LT tier is dead because Relic decided to give USF the option of getting a light tank, a squad wipe machine, and access to an AT gun + Captain Zooks at a price very close to that of the LT. Nobody is going to take a HT or light scout vehicle over a light tank ever. OKW has had what it's had to counter T1 since day 1.

If you make the decision to take an extended tier 1, then you must be willing to reap the consequences when the allied player shuts you down with light vehicle play. You got countered, it's part of the game, and all factions have to deal with it.

Except going T2 doesn't save your ass at all. Like rushing T2 as fast as you can and making a Pak won't save you versus a good light vehicle micro'er. Going extended T1 hasn't been an option for weeks.

Overrated? What? Pshrecks allow you to counter all allied armor short of the is2 and isu152, and thus are shit? You can't attack move with them. Use them to support your paks and other at sources, not a blob of long distance death.

Pshreks allow you (at a high cost) to counter the armor of really bad players very easily. But against good players who kite, crush, and support their armor they aren't a smart investment versus spamming mines or other things. There is a reason Volk spam is dead as a door nail and you only see Pgren shreks rarely.

As long as allies need more micro for their lategame, they will be weaker in the lategame. That is just a fact. Okw and ostheer have straight up heavies within their normal tech, not to mention mediums that scale into heavy-mediums with vet.

Soviet's don't need more micro late game, USF does, but Soviet does not. And Ostheer/OKW have straight up more heavies, but those heavies aren't hard to counter at all. The SU-76 can easily stave off even the heaviest tanks in numbers. Soviets maaaybe had a worse late game pre-patch but now? Nah.

Axis have better scaling units (veterancy + stock upgrades). Scaling is the key word, and it directly translates to a lategame power spike.

Almost all East Front units have mirrored veterancy stats dude. The myth of artificial better scaling through better vet is such a tired meme at this point. Shocks and Guards have fine scaling and Shocks don't need to upgrade for their weapons. Grens simply aren't useful later on without their LMG, similar Volks have zero reason to exist without their shrek or Obers without the LMG.

You say stock upgrades, I just say mandatory upgrades :/

You are projecting. There is no "bitter" feelings from the ye Olde days. Axis has a lategame advantage, which can be proved quite empirically with the statistics from 4s and 3s, where the lategame comes much faster.

3's and 4's are broken because the maps are unrelenting shit. This is coming from a player who is experienced in both those game modes and is in a clan of people experienced in those. 3's and 4's will always be shit as long as the maps are small and encourage camping.

You still haven't given a valid reason for grens and Volks to get at rifle upgrades stock that are far superior to that given for conscripts doctrinally. Hell, you still haven't given a valid reason for this upgrade to be needed at all.

2 AT rifles for 60 muni wouldn't be superior, and 3 AT rifles for 90 wouldn't either. And those upgrades would give you the option of allowing yourself to counter light vehicles easier at the cost of late game scaling. AT rifles just keep the performance versus infantry the same rather than taking away like before the PTRS changes.

Welcome to soviets for the past 2 years.

So why make it so Soviets get to pick whatever they want and everyone else is fucked. Again; stop it with the bitter posting. Nothing in the past matters at all.

No, but using combined arms is for some people. To counter a Stuart or a M5 you need a pack/raken + Shreck/pfaust + 222/puma. And for some people here, it is too hard to manage. Why? Simple because the M5 is going against a certain idea of how Axis faction are supposed to work = 1 strong unit counter its Allied counter part by itself.

Combined arms are only use to support each other AI/AT. Here the M5/Stuart force you to combine early AT arms to kill it.

What Alex is simply proposing is to remove this anomaly in the meta by giving Ost/OKW a new 1 type of unit hard-counter by itself his opponent.

Okay it's really apparent you don't play Axis because the 222 can't counter any light vehicle in the game except the M3 and M20. The issue is Axis has no soft anti tank to counter light vehicles; it just has hard AT meant to counter medium tanks. Which means that Allied light vehicles enjoy a period of time of counter free existence since they can easily avoid the unwieldy AT options afforded early on to OKW and Ost.

I fail to see how more options could be added outside of new upgrades, but I guess you can keep on accusing half the player base of being evil and desiring "1 unit counters"

This is true of all the factions - what do you think happens to soviets who go T1 and a shock doctrine against OKW rushing a Luchs?

Except that's a series of poor decisions one on top of each other. If you go for a T1 start there are tons of good guard commanders you can pick from, if you got for a T2 start their are tons of shock commanders you can pick from. And you can always go for T3 quickly now which gives you the SU-76 or T-70.

If you don't counter ISU with an Elefant or Jadgtiger, chances are on several maps your just fucked.

If you don't have a howitzer counter, your fucked.

If you don't have an AT gun ASAP pray he fucking runs into a mine because that Quadmount is going to fuck your ass into the next millennium.

Once upon a time Allies ALWAYS had to counter pick to Axis, but the roles have switched towards were you have a certain amount of MANDATORY Axis commanders you simply cannot refuse to take because they include counters to stuff that you see almost every game because they are in multiple commanders.

True but none of these units are found in the same commander; JLIs also have a sniping role, while Panzerfusiliers have flares, G43s and AT rifle grenade (and better than Riflemens' too, ironically).

I just thought of anther way Fallschirmjaegars can be deployed differently:

Have them deploy in a 250 halftrack. Sure it's pretty much clown car strat, but they come rather late, it adds costs fuel to cost, but you gain a powerful infantry squad that has mobility, which also removes the whole spawning issue. For a doctrine that doesn't feature vehicles a 40fuel transport carrying FG42 troops would seem more reasonable than paradropping or nerfing their weapons.
This would give them a more unique fire-brigade sort of role that doesn't really overstep stock units. It might replace the Luchs if you're focusing on infantry, but it does shift the resource burden and, if used soon after unlocking, might mean setting back your tech/ vehicle strat, which of course might not be a good idea since it comes at a time where light vehicles/ AT guns are coming out.
So rather than being that behind-enemy-lines unit it becomes a sort of spearhead infantry.

The AT rifle snare of Pfuss is the worst snare in the game; it only does 40 damage and it disappears after 1 second which means it's impossible to snare a moving tank. It also only fires like half the time.

Thank you for the advice guys!