One can say the same with the ez8 and t34/85 they're not beating German armor with out at support.
What? Both are better than the PIV, and if you have two of them they will beat a Panther together every time.
Why do people keep bringing up this "Axis" armor thing when literally 99% of the problems they have are with a single tank. |
Just so we kill the myth of the T34 having a GOOD AI capability.
T34 MGs are way worst than PIV and had worst AI capabilities on its main gun. Saving grace is fighting 4models against OH but not so against OKW.
Tiger: 5.25
PIV: 5.75
KV1: 5.75
Wolverine: 5.85
OKW PIV: 6
M4A3: 6.05
KT: 6.25
T3485: 6.4
OH PV: 6.5
E8: 6.55
IS2: 6.65
T3476: 6.75
Jackson: 7.25
OKW PV: 7.5
Yep, good ROF.
Nevertheless, it's a GOOD OPTION IF you are ahead on the match or even, and your opponent is not gonna pull any medium. This lets you gain control of the map and have enough resources to pull your call ins by the time your opponent can do the same.
I was only comparing the guns on the 76 and PIV, why are you comparing every single turreted tank in the game?
The 76 has a worse ROF, but as far as killing infantry goes both guns are the same. I didn't take into account the hull MG's because getting them to hit what you want to accurately is a pain in the dick. |
That is because heavies doesn't really have any disadvantage. They are plain upgrade over mediums, completely invalidating them the moment they show up.
Bigger cost, lower speed and turret traverse, increased CP cost allowing stock mediums bigger opportunity window and possibility to get some stars and punish stalling for heavy, exploitable vulnerability to something that isn't 70 range dedicated TD- heavies need at least one of these to have actual negative result on the calling player instead of spraying him with benefits.
If you have good micro, massed mediums is infinitely better than 1 or 2 heavy tanks. |
Another good reason for it to replace 76 in T3. So when can I expect your supporting posts at my thread about making that change?
Why are you so bloody against making the 76 better? Worried about realism or something?
Oh please. I have taken down many tigers with t-34/76s and zis-3. And i have taken down many IS-2s with just PIVS. Learn to micro, and use teller mines. They do help.
Not to mention the PIV is heaps better againts infantry than the t-34/76, you should be able to bleed him quite a bit by killing his infantry.
Every stat I can find only points to the t-34/76 being slightly worse than the PIV in anti infantry, and that's just because the T34 has a worse ROF.
PIV's can technically kill a IS2, the same way a StuG could, but they are so unopitmal for it why would you ever make them to do that?
Rank 3000 in 4v4 just gave you some advice, Katitof. That's what they called pwned
I didn't but the streamers I watch and hang out with did. And I haven't played random 4's in months lol.
Yea, thats pretty normal here.
Remember Jaigen lecturing Cruzz on balance(and that wasn't a single incident)?
Or Joe Dove arguing L2P issues against Luvnest?
Its just another one to throw in the bucket.
Iv never argued with either of those people, and I am not Jaigen or Joe Dove. Please take your false equivalencies elsewhere. |
Oh, you know, common sense and general performance way.
T34 is worse against armor and infantry then P4.
T70 is worse against infantry then Ostwind.
M5 is worse against planes and infantry then ostwind.
StuG is rather unique, but soviets would kill for something that can stun vehicles and penetrate them better then T34 while having superior range to other T3 armor in T3.
The T34 costs less, the T-70 costs less but is useful for more than just AI, the M5 is a fucking half track why are you even comparing a medium tank and a half track, the StuG is rather unique in the sense that is is literally just a shit PIV with less health armor and no turret.
Both Soviet T3 and Ostheer T3 are in a stupid place at the moment, but Soviets win out in that said T3 units actually have defined rolls that they preform well in at cost, instead of Ostheer T3 were you have literally 1 unit that's ever worth getting, but never are going to because the Jackson exists and comes out at exactly the same time.
The reason you see so many Panthers/Tigers is because building a tier for literally 1 unit when said unit is very easy to counter is a waste of fuel and MP, and in a MP starved faction your not exactly in a place to be wasting resources.
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Soviet T3 units at least each have a defined roll, Ostheer ones are just shittier versions of the PIV. One with no turret, less health and less armor. And another with less armor and less AI ability and no AT ability. |
Because 0.2 makes a huge difference.
And turn speed is exactly the same for both.
Turning while moving, crushing ain't gunna work if your just spinning in place.
Always crush in an ark, tight turns at high speed. |
> Not getting tanks death sentence for OKW
> Vet 5 Shrekblobs
> Obers killing everything else
Remind me why people take you seriously again? Or do they?
Mmmm yes Shreks and Obers are everything proof, vehicles can't run them over, explosives don't affect them, they don't take flame damage, they are immune to small arms fire...
Oh wait all those things can happen to them. Stalling for KT is technically possible, but fuck If I'm going to ever intentionally gimp myself by doing it, I have good micro but not THAT good micro.
Nope.
Yeah, you don't take me seriously which is why 80% of your posts in the last week are responses to my posts lmao. |
True but that doesnt change the fact that tier 3 is completely unappealing because of it lack of AT. Soviets really should have have access to tier 3 and 4. and the best way to do so is to reduce the fuel cost of tier 4 by 70 if tier is build and vica versa.
Making Soviet's have the Ostheer teching system isn't going to stop call in meta, it will make it worse. |
Thanks, you are such a pro. Sums up all your post in this Form. Axis back foot scenarios therefore the Axis units are OK or UP.
I didn't say the Panther was UP, I said it can be killed with a little thought and micro. The OKW Panther is fine were it is, and the Ostheer Panther either needs a cost reduction or T4 needs a cost reduction. |