Please stop with the higher damage red herring. The damage it does per shot is balanced by its slower reload then other TDs. The SU85 has much better DPS even though its damage per shot is less. But we have gone over this before.
And if you want to bring up its marginal moving accuracy bonus you must also count the Jacksons larger target size for its class like all other USF armor.
I agree with the OP comparing it to Obersoldaten is about right.
The SU-85 does the exact same damage as the Panther, 160. And the Jackson does 240, which is 66% more than the Panthers.
The Panther is not some unbeatable tank, the ZiS gun has over a 50% chance to pen, the SU-85 has over a 50% chance to pen.
Christ on a cracker talk about exaggeration. |
Was one of the stealth changes.
Really because I just used maxims in a game yesterday and they set up in buildings faster than my opponents MG42's did.
Also it should be mentioned maxims get the benefit of a better arc when in buildings.
The maxim sets up faster, and has a faster reload. |
...Did you even try read my original post?
Yes, you said you wanted Paths and JLI to crit at 40%, which would be a nerf to JLI who only have 1 rifle as opposed to the Pathfinders two rifles. |
Give me a "tank hunter" then, as the Allied tank destroyers are pretty pale in comparison. They either require lots of micro, a lot of luck, or both. Panther? Sure penetration on just about everything, great armor, great abilities.
The Panther doesn't have anywhere near the DPS even with 100% pen, and DPS is what matter when it comes to finishing off tanks. The Jackson also has better accuracy as well as higher damage, but it's not a Tank Hunter so it lacks in the armor and health dept.
And again; you can counter the Panther with out THAT much effort, it cannot take on infantry, use this to your advantage. |
These were the talks around the last armor balancing. After the last march deployment where they Nerfed the KV series of tanks as well as the Panther.
Yes IRL the Panther was great. But IRL there are alot of other factors that dont apply. The Panther was performing fine before the rebuff to the frontal armor. If you go back and dig for the showcase videos of the Jackson vs the Panther they were Asymetrically balanced.
A single Jackson could beat a Panther if it got the first shot advantage and back peddled. The Panther could beat the Jackson if the reverse was true.
This is no longer the case. IF the Panther goes after a Jackson the Jackson is done in 9.9 out of 10 cases.
There is no need for all the attributes the Panther has going for it with no drawbacks. It has longer range, better armor, better speed, blitz, more HPs and better vet then other mediums. The only area it lacks is lower overall DPS due to reload. But its made up for by almost 100% chance to Penetrate.
One area in this list needs to be reduced. If they want to just nerf the OKW version and need a lore reason? OKW is late war and the Germans metallurgy in the late war was hurting. So if anything leave the Ostheer one alone and leave the OKW with crappier frontal armor.
The issue with nerfing the OKW Panther is that is leaves OKW in a very ackward spot, due to the nonvaibility of the JPIV, and the fact that if you went mechanized your screwed if the Panther cannot fulfill it's roll.
The Panther has plenty of counters in the form of infantry based AT, which it cannot fight off. AT guns will quickly make short work of it if they player is attempting to push your position and mediums with it.
Ultimately the Panther for Ostheer is just to expensive due to tech 4's costs.
If you want to do something just increase the OKW Panthers MP cost by 50%, this will delay it without gating it behind fuel which OKW typically can't easily get ahold of. |
I said 85 or Easy 8. Or Jackson or SU-85. The former two are only more expensive than their dinky counterparts for increased AT performance and slightly more survivability for T-34/85 by the virtue of having 800 hp (both are still sure pens) and the latter two are tank destroyers that aren't as good as half a Panther. Obersoldaten are made to kill infantry too, I suppose you consider them to be fine as well?
And best WW-II tank was T-34/85 for winning the war and being very cost effective at killing all the German big cats like Tiger and later King Tiger. Panther was like the pretty but dumb girl, too many problems, nice to look at.
The Panther is a Tank Hunter, in game it doesn't have a unit that fulfills the same roll as it. It's impossible to compare to the generalist mediums like the 85 and Easy Eight
It's what Ostheer gets in return for not having a traditional TD at all. |
Except it wouldn't, because after changes it takes exactly the same time for it to setup and change windows as it takes for MG42.
The maxim has a shorter set up time and have more crew men which makes it harder to get wiped. |
Thank you, I was really surprised that it's only the... Well, Axis-inclined crowd that responded and quite vehemently at that, I'm glad you get my point. The sadder part is that, make those 76s into 85s and the Panther still stands a very good chance of killing one and then making a getaway anyway.
Reason why the Panther is never going to get nerfed is because Ostheer T3 is already unviable, and making the Panther unable to break allied armor pushes would basically leave Ostheer without a MBT or Tank hunter.
The Panther preforms fine for it's cost, it doesn't over preform at all, it has low DPS compared to the other TD's.
The only thing that needs adjusting is blitz. |
-But not actual infantry models animations riding them.
-I'm intrigued on how you don't see how OP this is.
Well, you would need to complete a full reload before firing which unless you were sitting on the IS would give you enough to get away, but yes it would be better against TD's which don't have turrets.
Any suggestions for some other ability that the IS2 might have for Vet 1 instead? |
provide stats
It has a giant scatter and doesn't have as much rockets fired as it used to, meaning if you actually want to hit anything you need to fire it at point blank range. |
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