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Thread: Why I cant play COH 2 on the highest grafic settings ?31 Oct 2014, 15:42 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 17:02 PMoOIYvYIOo I know InsaneDruid, i have PC´s for around 20 years . Im 36 years old , i come from the generation of the first consoles and pc´s.Things have changed ,but, i think that Relic should change the system requirments and or launch a patch to optmize their game. We are getting into a age where people have acess to everything and now more than some years ago, people are getting tired of being stolen when the companies keep selling their games with accords with intels,radeons,geforces,etc to force the customer to keep buying and buying. Its like the cars,or tv´s or any other eletric . I know my computer will never play on the very high grafic settings, but it should play on med/high with no problem. Sure, the recommended specs are a bit off, but then again, what if they printed "GTX Titan Z SLI" as the recommended GPU? People would complain and nobody would buy the game. Also, why feeling robbed when a game can actually use the power of modern cards and turn this power into eye candy? Its actual a good thing. When Coh1 came out, who of us played it in maximum settings? A very few, i suspect. But Coh scaled well with newer hardware, preventing it from aging. Now i can play in DX10 Mode, in 4K resolution with tons of FSAA. What if relic prevented higher resolutions, higher DX Modes etc, just so that "max" settings where able to run on cards like the 1950XTX? It would look silly today. And we old chaps (I am still older than you ) should see that we are far from beeing robbed or forced to buy expensive hardware. Since the previous console generation there was stagnation for ages. And even now, you CAN play Coh2. Just not with Super sampling FSAA, or tesselated snow tracks. Such effects cant come for free, they are processing more (MUCH more) information, and thus they cant come for free. FXAA, which is a post filter approximation/blur filter, these things come for free, and coh2 has them available, and the user is free to choose. Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 18:08 PMThe amazing Chandler I get you oOIYvYIOo but you have to get this too. The Game is very very very poor optimized. The community is saying that since the release of the game. Yes, i know, you should not upgrade your PC because it is (or should be) enough for COH2, Relic is the one who has to optimize the game (Please Relic pretty please). For pudding sake, it does not have SLI support, what the garden!!!!!!! As long as SLI and Crossfire means Alternate Frame Rendering (AFR), that does not speed up the render times of an actual single frame itself, and introduces worse frametimes that a single GPU, I could not care less about SLI. The actual Scan Line Interleaving (hence the name) by 3dfx back in the days was a different kind of beast. Both of the two cards rendered a frame together, one rendered the odd lines, one the even. Thus, frametimes (the time to render one frame) was lowered, and the game actually felt faster. (FPS means nothing, frametimes mean everything). Read: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995.html Still, Coh isn't "badly optimized". It runs quite well on small rigs (as said many times, one of the oldest possible cards to run the game at all (ie has DX10 capabilities), the 275/260GTX Midrange cards are able to run coh2 very very nicely), and can scale into the future with bigger systems, too. Also keep in mind that games like COH are deterministic. Given a fixed starting point, the battle can be computed in a way that every single machine in a match displays the excact same things. Just the player inputs have to be distributed between the players, nothing more, every other thing, like position of enemies, etc etc are computed. Unlike a fps game, where the information about the position of the players, bots, etc gets transferred over the net. This is also why replays of older version often cant be played, because they just store the beginning state, and the player inputs, and the whole game with all movements etc just is computed out of this information. Read: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131466/instant_replay_building_a_game_.php Also, again, what if relic decided to scap the topmost options, just so that all players could say "runs on maxed out options"? Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 17:08 PMoOIYvYIOo Nah this was a PC I have to get my C 64 out of the closet.^^ In: Hardware and Tech
Thread: Why I cant play COH 2 on the highest grafic settings ?30 Oct 2014, 16:52 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 13:56 PMferwiner ... the most broken part of coh2 graphics is antialising so trun it off or set to low, ... FSAA in Coh2 is far from "broken". Its just three different Methods that you can choose. Low ist the fast (nearly no performance hit) FXAA Postfilter, High is the VERY demanding Supersampling, which is by design performance hungry, but quite good. Like Nvidias DSR Downsampling. Of course it is slower than FXAA, or driver forced Multisampling. As i said on the thread over at relic, i was able to run coh extremely well with a GTX 275 Card (2009 Generation -> 6 Years old), just by stickng to FXAA (low) settings for AA, Medium Image Quality (after medium, it only adds more draw distance for grass effects) and medium snow details (the card wasn't able to choose high detail anyway). Even 4vs4 Annihilation was playable. Actually, Coh2 performs better than coh1 in terms of holding its framerate when using shallow view angles. With my 970GTX it evens runs in 4K resolution, everything maxxed out. At the thread starter: as said over at relic, coh2 IS a quite demanding game, if you want it to be so, e.g. setting everything to max without knowing what you actually enable. It can be confusing sometimes, when a vers subtle effect halves your framerate, but thats the way it goes, and the law of diminishing returns (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns) is true for computer graphics. Actually you can call yourself lucky that a four year old card can handle this game at all. Back in the day my cards usually only lasted half a year or so, soemetimes just weeks (eary voodoo2 cards and than switched to the 12MB one). But then, we all where mad back in the day In: Hardware and Tech

Thread: Why I cant play COH 2 on the highest grafic settings ?31 Oct 2014, 15:42 PM

30 Oct 2014, 17:02 PMoOIYvYIOo

I know InsaneDruid, i have PC´s for around 20 years . Im 36 years old , i come from the generation of the first consoles and pc´s.Things have changed ,but, i think that Relic should change the system requirments and or launch a patch to optmize their game. We are getting into a age where people have acess to everything and now more than some years ago, people are getting tired of being stolen when the companies keep selling their games with accords with intels,radeons,geforces,etc to force the customer to keep buying and buying. Its like the cars,or tv´s or any other eletric .
I know my computer will never play on the very high grafic settings, but it should play on med/high with no problem.

Sure, the recommended specs are a bit off, but then again, what if they printed "GTX Titan Z SLI" as the recommended GPU? People would complain and nobody would buy the game. Also, why feeling robbed when a game can actually use the power of modern cards and turn this power into eye candy? Its actual a good thing. When Coh1 came out, who of us played it in maximum settings? A very few, i suspect. But Coh scaled well with newer hardware, preventing it from aging. Now i can play in DX10 Mode, in 4K resolution with tons of FSAA. What if relic prevented higher resolutions, higher DX Modes etc, just so that "max" settings where able to run on cards like the 1950XTX? It would look silly today. And we old chaps (I am still older than you

) should see that we are far from beeing robbed or forced to buy expensive hardware. Since the previous console generation there was stagnation for ages. And even now, you CAN play Coh2. Just not with Super sampling FSAA, or tesselated snow tracks. Such effects cant come for free, they are processing more (MUCH more) information, and thus they cant come for free. FXAA, which is a post filter approximation/blur filter, these things come for free, and coh2 has them available, and the user is free to choose.

30 Oct 2014, 18:08 PMThe amazing Chandler

I get you oOIYvYIOo but you have to get this too. The Game is very very very poor optimized. The community is saying that since the release of the game. Yes, i know, you should not upgrade your PC because it is (or should be) enough for COH2, Relic is the one who has to optimize the game (Please Relic pretty please).
For pudding sake, it does not have SLI support, what the garden!!!!!!!

As long as SLI and Crossfire means Alternate Frame Rendering (AFR), that does not speed up the render times of an actual single frame itself, and introduces worse frametimes that a single GPU, I could not care less about SLI. The actual Scan Line Interleaving (hence the name) by 3dfx back in the days was a different kind of beast. Both of the two cards rendered a frame together, one rendered the odd lines, one the even. Thus, frametimes (the time to render one frame) was lowered, and the game actually felt faster. (FPS means nothing, frametimes mean everything). Read: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995.html

Still, Coh isn't "badly optimized". It runs quite well on small rigs (as said many times, one of the oldest possible cards to run the game at all (ie has DX10 capabilities), the 275/260GTX Midrange cards are able to run coh2 very very nicely), and can scale into the future with bigger systems, too. Also keep in mind that games like COH are deterministic. Given a fixed starting point, the battle can be computed in a way that every single machine in a match displays the excact same things. Just the player inputs have to be distributed between the players, nothing more, every other thing, like position of enemies, etc etc are computed. Unlike a fps game, where the information about the position of the players, bots, etc gets transferred over the net. This is also why replays of older version often cant be played, because they just store the beginning state, and the player inputs, and the whole game with all movements etc just is computed out of this information. Read: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131466/instant_replay_building_a_game_.php
Also, again, what if relic decided to scap the topmost options, just so that all players could say "runs on maxed out options"?

30 Oct 2014, 17:08 PMoOIYvYIOo

Nah this was a PC

I have to get my C 64 out of the closet.^^

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Thread: Why I cant play COH 2 on the highest grafic settings ?30 Oct 2014, 16:52 PM

30 Oct 2014, 13:56 PMferwiner

... the most broken part of coh2 graphics is antialising so trun it off or set to low, ...

FSAA in Coh2 is far from "broken". Its just three different Methods that you can choose. Low ist the fast (nearly no performance hit) FXAA Postfilter, High is the VERY demanding Supersampling, which is by design performance hungry, but quite good. Like Nvidias DSR Downsampling. Of course it is slower than FXAA, or driver forced Multisampling.

As i said on the thread over at relic, i was able to run coh extremely well with a GTX 275 Card (2009 Generation -> 6 Years old), just by stickng to FXAA (low) settings for AA, Medium Image Quality (after medium, it only adds more draw distance for grass effects) and medium snow details (the card wasn't able to choose high detail anyway). Even 4vs4 Annihilation was playable. Actually, Coh2 performs better than coh1 in terms of holding its framerate when using shallow view angles. With my 970GTX it evens runs in 4K resolution, everything maxxed out.

At the thread starter: as said over at relic, coh2 IS a quite demanding game, if you want it to be so, e.g. setting everything to max without knowing what you actually enable. It can be confusing sometimes, when a vers subtle effect halves your framerate, but thats the way it goes, and the law of diminishing returns (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns) is true for computer graphics. Actually you can call yourself lucky that a four year old card can handle this game at all. Back in the day my cards usually only lasted half a year or so, soemetimes just weeks (eary voodoo2 cards and than switched to the 12MB one). But then, we all where mad back in the day

In: Hardware and Tech