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No way, is2 better hit armor than infantry. Why no ap/he shell for tiger?

did you read the title?

This now comes from someone who mostly plays okw but rarely blob
while i play with a lot of inf i try to attack from several sides

Countering blobs need more micro than blobbing...
Let me rephrase that
Outplaying your opponent needs more micro

How to deal with blobbing 5-8 squads (
for USA

2 or more 50cals with 3-4 rifles and or howitzers will easily fend of any blob and with good howitzer hit's punish him bad (vet 2 pack howitzer)
a blob with 5-7 rifles/fallies
a sherman will bleed a lot of mp but risky against more than 3-4 volks
flak halftrack


for Soviets
maxims are not that effective but work
2-3 shocks will crush any blob
pak-arty/su 87-arty is devastating
demos and mines
mortar + mg's
Katyusha/B4
isu/is2



for OH
2-3 mg's and hope they don't get smoked + as much grens as rifle/conscripts
2 mg's + 2 mortar + 2-4 grens
Stug3 E maybe (1 on 1)
Tiger
close air support stucka strafe (pins everything)
brumbär
Panzerwerfer


For OKW
spam obers
flak halftrack (only if you went mech hq)
mg34 + sturmpios and volks (doctrinal)
Obers
Luchs
Kingtiger ... comes a little late...
Sturmtiger will scare them away
stucka (only way to punish blobs but easily dodged and can't fire at retreat point)
leig 18 if you have been blessed by RNJesus

"Schrecks to Sturmpios and Obers must buy their lmg, okw has no ammo sink anyway"

First OKW has no non-doc vehicle snare and the pak with the shortest range, schrecks are needed
You can't afford to throw a grenade before you got 1 schreck and than you need another schreck because püppchen is ...
Mines are risky because they delay your schreck...
The whole early/mid-game you are starving for schrecks
Normally you need 3 schreck-volks + something else to fend of medium tanks or a panther/jagtpanzer 4
3 schrecks are 270/337,5 mun, ammo you always have to invest (lose a squad an it's 360/450 mun)
after 2-3 schrecks you finally can think about using ammo for something else (boring and bad game design i know)
OH is even worse regarding ammo
USA i don't played enough usa for a well-grounded statement but normally i can spend ammo as i like without loosing to the next vehicle
SU the biggest ammo sink faction in the game you must equip all your squads with ... with hmm ... nope you don't! just spam nades/mines/demos/offmap and pak-arty
sometimes you get flamers on penals and pios but that's it
The different ammo dependency is probably intended, great job relic..

Arguments like schrecks to sturmpios show that this player never played okw
If obers must buy their lmg reduce mp and reinforcement costs a bit and set okw income back to 100%

OP here

I should have made it more clear in my opening post that I don't blob and I try to combine my arms (also with the overpriced Le.IG 18 and the raketenwerfer that's not that easy)
I always try to attack on a wide front and I almost never have more than 1 squad in the same cover. (only if i desperately defend my hq)
I control all my squads separate and try to flank
this post is mostly "against" Allies because they have a much wider arsenal of long range squad wiping units
or mostly for Axis because their 4 man squads are easier to wipe with explosives.

RnG is a very nice feature of coh and should never be removed but maybe it should not take extreme forms like zero damage and than a full squad wiped but rather a constant damage to inf from 20-80%.

OKW inf blops should be addressed in a different thread (one broken unit/mechanic does not permit another one)

arty should punish blobs but with combined play. Arty right now punishes blops as much as single units. I argue that sending a huge blop of inf and firing arty take roughly the same amount of skill.
arty should soften up the enemy lines and than you attack, focus down his squads and achieve glorious victory with combined arms or your enemy falls back and you capture.
Healing a huge amount of inf takes time.

right now a katyusha fired at a "blob" made up of 1 full health inf-squad has a good chance killing it with the first few rockets.

The B4 mortar is a save bet if you know your enemy doctrine lacks stucka bombs(who plays railway arty anyway).
Popping smoke for precision strikes with an increased delay would let them be useful against buildings or crippled tanks but not 1-hitting a panther or tiger without warning.

demo charges work wonders against blobs but also against single units and they are a guaranteed wipe in some positions.
-maybe a cable should be placed(with regular walking speed) by a squad from the charge to the hq and cutting this line with minesweepers disable (not remove) them?
-Make them visible to all squads so the are only useful against emplacements and houses with increased building speed?

They over perform greatly for only 90mun at a faction that does not need any ammo for inf upgrades (save the guard rifles)

Stucka is another unit that like the B4 and katyusha that should be changed somehow (firing in a random pattern and adjusted damage with the current line as a vet ability?).

P47/"Stucka at strafing run" instantly kills light vehicles and sometimes medium tanks without any chance of counterplay (even with flak units).
Both abilities are bullshit op and need an overhaul.

Tanks:
In general tanks are not like the above.
You almost always know the risk sending a unit against a tank unlike artillery which kills without warning anywhere on the map.

Kingtiger, IS2, Tiger, Brumbär and the Sherman105 probably should deal less splash damage but over a bigger area so they soften up inf and kill 1 or 2 models but not the whole squad.
Any inf squad should easily force the remaining squad off.

Sturmtiger is actual the only unit who is allowed to instant kill anything (but base buildings).
It's slow takes half a year to fire and has shitty range and any tank is able to destroy it.
The B4 deals more damage (less splash??) than the Sturmtiger but can be fired safely from your base and has no warning


Arguing that 100kg He (203 mm mortar) should kill anything or "in real life the katyusha killed anything in a much bigger area" are not helpful.
If you like realistic games I strongly recommend you play Men of War assault squad 2.
Coh 2 is not realistic and it will never be (imagine shreck 1 hitting any tank or mg's mowing down any blop without green cover, Sturmtiger killing a whole village with a single shot)


I don't want Allies to be helpless against blops or emplacements. Finding the golden mean between being useless and wiping squads on a daily basis must be found.


My suggestions for He and arty in general are:

Decreasing the AoE near range but increasing the AoE far range may help so artillery would still one-shot models but not whole squads.
Like I stated in the beginning arty should involve more skill and timing combined with a counter attack.

Rocket Arty:
After firing at a blop you should be able to force it of and press forward with an equal force minus the price for your arty.
Firing at a front-line should damage most units and enable you to break through not wipe some squads and ignore the rest.

Howitzer should fire for a rather long time (not slower but more shells) and forcing the enemy to leave the bombarded area with minor casualties unless he does not react in time.
Emplacements should be severely damages so any push breaks through.

Artillery should not be the main killing force! (I know most casualties in ww2 where because of arty but in general I think this would make coh boring)
Artillery is a support weapon to win engagements with the rest of your army.
Arguing that blops are bad (mmkay) but arty should wipe squads and win the day (more or less alone) are on the same level of bad play.

US needs 80 fuel for paks with double bazooka officer
OkW needs 80 + 60 fuel
SU can build packs anyway

http://www.twitch.tv/helpinghans/c/5100973
at 39 min it basicly killed a JT without any help