Profile of OrangePest

Havent tested, but hopefully it stops the vp camping

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I don't know why you'd accuse me of deliberately downplaying it when I said it is powerful and that it might be something that could be toned down. Furthermore 45 sight range only when vet 1 and when stationary in cover, even if powerful, is noticeably worse than vet 0 50 sight range while moving that squads like Pathfinders and JLI have. Even Pioneers have 42 sight range regardless of being stationary or in cover.

All the units you just mentioned have either major flaws or require doctrinal.

But most importantly, they cannot be deployed en masse effectively.

At most you see 1-2 pathfinder squads
At most you see 1-2 JLI
At most you see 1-3 pio squads (who have to make the gap up quite siginificantly because they are honeslty quite fucking shite in any other regard)
With sections you're going to get 3-5 which means you have much more significant coverage.

I know what he means but that is not self spotting. Self spotting is the ability of certain units to see (almost) as far as their own weapon range so that they do not need other units to spot for them in order to fire from max range. For example the Command Panther and the Puma both with 50 weapon and 50 sight range, or a Pathfinders recrewed M2HB with 45 weapon range and 50 sight range.

Infantry Sections can not self spot by definition because the maximum range on any of their weapons is 35 which is the same as the standard sight range.


Being able to see further is not self spotting and does not give an as significant advantage. I don't want to start a semantics discussion here but self spotting is a clearly defined and powerful trait and it's important keep that separated from this discussion and stop randomly attributing things to Infantry Sections that aren't true.

They can see quite a bit further at vet 1 when in cover (45) which helps with reconnaissance and which helps to spot for HMGs and ATGs and other vehicles and that is quite powerful. They have it because they are tied to cover more than other mainline infantry and generally can't be as far forwards. Perhaps it can be toned down now. But it's not self spotting and a top player like Orangepest should know the difference.

I didnt mean selfspot, sometimes i mix up terms, the ability for every single mainline to have extremely strong spotting range is beyond powerful because on a map like faymonvile where you're going to be hugging cover 60-80% of the time.

It means that for example i place the typical sandbag center and will see... any coming flanks from the northern front, the point left from there, meaning any flanks will be spotted almost instantly, and the flanks from the truck point. Now i'll admit this might not be 100% certainty in terms of testing, but i find that to be the case frequently and it makes for nightmares trying to push someone who's playing defensivly because he gets all the chances to prepare and move around as he wishes while you have to constantly use sightblockers, it also works excellently for units with great range like vetted up vickers (in trench) or simply giving your vickers constant max range firewithout having to expose it self or having your sections move forward that much more.

I think you are very heavily (maybe delibaretly.) underplaying the power of having your mainline infantry get amazing sight range. its partly why pathfinders are as powerful as they are, sight is a great tool. Which is why it's assinged to certain vehicles that come out early rather than later, having your tanks the ability to fire max range almost always is a great boon.

Jesus H Christ what the fuck am I reading here.

Alright fellas, you better strap in because I'm about to show you why sections are fucking ridiculous, Let's begin with the early game where they are at their weakest- Oh, wait they're fucking not.

So this is where the section problems begin, right out of the fucking gate, so ask yourself why are sections stronger early game?
Simple, they have a numbers advantage because they start with their mainline right out of the game, ostheer and okw both have engineer units who are CQC oriented right? So on a pound to pound basis where your mainline production is going to be similar (4 volks/3volks+1fusi, 3grens/4grens) You are going to be outnumbered because the meta is going 5 sections, now you could make the case that trying to equal the numbers out is viable (its not really the case, as i've tried time and time again vs brits with 5 volks doesn't work)
So from out of the gate on a quality level he's going to have an advantage, on some maps, this may be weaker, but as you can see in the clips earlier, getting close with grens is a fool's quest, it doesn't allow you to actually trade well because you'll lose half the squad so fucking quickly and then he can retreat away with having suffered no bleed at all.

Alright so that's the first problem out of the way, now let's throw in the rest
They get self spotting at vet 1
They get self-healing which means they can be on the map constantly with no drawback while everyone else has to retreat
they get sandbags and trenches which is way stronger in their hands than any other unit because of the cover bonus
And (I'm not 100% this is true but I've heard it before) they get a 25% faster cap rate.

So from the initial engagements, it's not unrealistic to actually being forced to charge right on to a sandbag section. So let me ask you this as a follow-up. Should i be rewarded for making a sandbag and sitting my ass down to hold a point despite it requires almost no effort on my end? and almost thrice the effort of my opponent to push me out?

Quite frankly sandbgs have no place on ANY mainline infantry and should be promptly removed.

Moving on
Trading efficiency
Fun fact, normal greens are completely irrelevant in the brit matchup because you cannot on any level trade efficiently and have to spend 60 munis on another gren to compete with the sections+ veterancy to get the remotest of chances to compete with them.
The simple reason is well grens cost 30 to reinforce sections cost 28 mp to reinforce, so now you're at a situation where you cannot win most of the engagements you take that are going to be one on one and even if you do you still come out losing manpower wise.


So i could go on about this forever (lmg upgrades being fucking ridiculously strong for example, assault being retarded, officer having free recon, AEC timing negating 222s and 250s, the amazing teching they get which allows for 11 minute cromwells. or the fact that you get a premium high end Comet with phopshours,smoke,blitz,grenades and amazing armour which allows you to bounce KTs. The command aura from churchills having abusrdly strong bonuses. ect ect) but I won't because it's quite frankly a waste of time since I have a feeling most of you will just ignore what I'm saying anyway. So let's move over to what i think is a good solution

My suggestion for a solution that i think would work, get rid of sandbags, trenches, give them five man out of the gate, get rid of the coverbonus, decrease their firepower and reduce their cost if need be and give them a snare if its so fucking desperate to deal with LVHs. Reduce the AECs anti infantryt pintle and make treadbreak not get stronger with vet. make the vickers 50 muni per, Make assault sections lose their phosp grenade, and increase the last tech level for brits so the cromwell doesn't get the best timing in the game.