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Just get a 222 and a pak and you'll send those greyhounds to hell no problemo, only problem is if he gets a lead but if you're wehr you should get a p4 out before his sherman since he probably double invested in his early-mid game.

With okw just go luchs+puma or just pumas straight into p4 or tiger/panther, luchs+raketten deals with greyhounds pretty decently as well

Though greyhounds are super annoying to deal with as they have some insane burst potenial with thier ability and get almost t70 levels of damages once they add on the top gunner, that said if you know he's got two light vehicles, get more conservative and wait for a chance to punish him.

So this is going to be a relativly simple thread, and one i think is actually needed.
Buff grens, so there's alot of reason for this but mainly is that they are just not that good for what you pay for in reinforcement but also for timing, scaling and general viablity

For one there's is no actual good reason to get them over assgrens or ostruppen, aside from the fact that you get can get sniper vs brits (which is the only real reason to build t1 anyway)

So let's look at the what they're meant to be good at
'Long range' let's begin with this, they're meant to be trading at longer ranges, but what happens when you're on a small map? you begin losing engagements before they're even begun, this doesn't help when you're paying *30* manpower per model, every other squad pays something like 24 to 28 or so, it's absurdly expensive and they're trading capabilties just aren't that good, i'm going to be a bit general here, but if you're up against a rifle squad you need to drop 3 of his to come out on top or even four in terms of trade, while he only has to drop 3 to already force you to pay 90 manpower, this makes tradings very uneven and generally favor the otherside,

They're awful at close range, they require upgrades to compete with any other mainline and their scaling is mediocre, sure they get more durability, but that doesn't matter when shermans using HE or t70s roll up on you, you're still going to get sent to hell faster than you can say goodbye.

That and they have no real place in the early game, their competitors (assgrens or ostruppen) quite frankly just do their jobs better, ostruppen will trade well because of their manpower bleed being minimal, assgrens field alot of pressure and momentum for you while allowing you to go into light vehicles early, compared to this what does the green offer? Bleed and faust, sure it's a good faust, but even then once the ostruppen get their this becomes a nullpoint.
It becomes a lose-lose situation because you get worse infantry that doesn't trade well, bleeds you and makes your light vehicle timings worse. I should add this is purely from a 1v1 POV, as i don't really play teamgames that much.

I also feel like the buffs that were given are kind of irrelevant, the t4 buff is quite frankly useless, 10% more cap speed and 2 less mp sounds nice, but in reality it ends up having a borderline minimal impact because you wont actually see the benefits for that long, the vet 3 durability however i will admit is solid enough to give them some good lategame, but nothing compared to its foes scaling, Rifles can get double bars, cons 7men, sections beat them at most ranges and can get double bren if need be, and penals have decent enough durability.

My proposal would be to lower the reinforcement cost to 26, increase their cost slightly while decreasing the mp cost of t1 slightly, to compensate for this i'd increase the cost of grens to 260, buff their mid to close range so they don't have to retreat the moment you get close

I feel like this would be good start to making grens properly viable.

Pershing seems fine overall, imo just get sherman first and then pershing and you'll be fine imo

what an odd tier list after watching OKW, Ost and Soviet dominating the tournament

What are you on about, noggano rode the tournament to the finals all the way with brits????? and ostheer. Asiamint is the exepction because he plays like a weirdo and was the only guy who did OKW as luvnest,noggano,kimbo,me,vonivan all did ostheer over OKW

Oh him and tiramisu did okw and i think thats a korean community thing, i'd even go so far to say that he won purely because he was a /lot/ better than his opponent. Like Asiamint is a geninune tier above most people even the top. Its insane.

Anyway as for brits, Kimbo,noggano,me all used it and well... two of those made it to top 4 so???