Profile of BeefSurge

German tank crews in 44-45 didn't know how to repair their own tanks and didn't recieve infantry combat training. American tank crews did.

I don't doubt that Penals on urban maps can't be a really good strat, I understand that 6 man carbine flamers wreck infantry up to the lategame. I sometimes go 2 guards and 2 penals with cons on la gleize/armheim. But- I just want the unit to be more viable on other maps, because on urban maps while Engies or shocks are less efficient than penals they still fill the role, while Soviets have no unit to fill the role of basic infantry like Gren. (Cons are utility units as per Relic.)

Here's a compromise- the unit can retain flamer upgrade but can also get DP-28 upgrade, damage on rifles increased, price to 290. (24 per man.)

And replace oorah! vet ability with grenade

Completly wrong.

Show me triple engi/shocks build on maps like Trois Points or Lierneux. With engis you gonna lose map presence since their only power is flamethrowerer. Shocks are avaible at 2CPs and expensive.

Again, why should I get 300MP squad with 1 DP if I can get better Guards?
Or just get Cons for better long range and better vet.


Semi-auto + flamer make Penals great units. All they need is -30% rec. acc. and suddenly they will become quasi-elite with lower rec. acc.

And no, Enigs, nor Shocks fill their role.

You could also get Molotov conscripts. Point stands that a unit that overlaps with 3 other infantry troops in what it counters (garrison) isn't good when call-ins and the Maxim exist. The fact that nobody uses Penals is pretty good proof, it's better if they get removed from a niche urban BO and become a more widespread unit. It's like if Panzgrens were a cost inefficient gren substitute with an ability that let them set up like an MG42-nobody would build them because Grens + hmg would be 99% better, just like outside of urban bo that would be better off with maxims anyway can use Penals.

You would get 300 mp Penals for guard level anti-infantry without the PTRS. If anything I want Penals to become weaker Panzerfusilers, which ftr are a bit stronger at range than Cons.

And yes, flamer Engies and shocks are both anti-garrison, they just have different price upkeep durability utility, etc. Penals fall into the same boat, only they're the least cost efficient, are tier locked, and have the least utility outside coming early. Try the guys tuning mod (although a bit different than penal change to fusilier type unit) and tell me you think current Penals are better for the faction as a whole.

Trying to be realistic here, you have a higher chance of an Obersoldaten call-in because OKW and Ost can share commander units. (Ostwind, bunkers, Pak43, nondoc P4 and Panther)

If snares become skillshots they would have to be price buffed or performance buffed, and both those remove strategic depth