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Thread: jackson armor nerf25 Jan 2020, 18:04 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 12:06 PMblvckdream What more do you need to counter a medium tank than the best ATG in COH2, two different types of mines (one of them being the most powerful AT mine in the game), snares on all Riflemen and Bazookas on cheap RE squads? USF fanboys going totally crazy when they think the only thing they can use to counter a fucking P4 is a Jackson. There isn't a single faction that relies on ATG and mines only to counter tanks. ATG is always a possible way but never the only one. Late game ATG are simply irrelevant vs rocket artillery and off maps. I don't know who's the fanboy here. I already gave my opinion on how to rebalance USF late game to make jackson less of a Must Have unit and I never had in mind buffs for it. On the other hand you're just calling for straight out nerfs with zero care for the consequences of it. You're not looking for balance but for vengeance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf25 Jan 2020, 10:50 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Jan 2020, 21:31 PMblvckdream USF has no other counter to medium tanks than Jacksons? What about the best, yet cheapest ATG in COH2? What about elite tripple zook Rangers? Or EZ8, 76 Sherman. Saying Jackson is the only medium tank counter USF has is laughable. Then why don't you use your own argument to counter Jacksons. Pgshreck, Pak40, stug, panther and so on... None of them have trouble to penetrate Jackson armor. Anyway don't you find interesting that of all you mentioned only the ATG is stock and require a specific tier to be built. As opposed I only mentioned stock options available for Ostheer to deal with the jackson. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf24 Jan 2020, 20:04 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jan 2020, 16:52 PMelchino7 Range and cost. This is why i said that semi heavies (aka PV) and heavies could see a size increase while reducing the acc of most TDs. Mediums don't need to be touched. Don't you think the cost / opportunity is not already accurate between jacksons and mediums? Jacksons are only TDs unless panthers with their more than average AI power which define the cost of both units. Jacksons vs mediums is a fair matchup with an advantage for Jackson. I don't really see the point of nerfing this advantage since USF has no other option to counter them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf24 Jan 2020, 10:13 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 22:46 PMelchino7 The Jackson itself, AT gun, Zook and basically 1v1 trading against non skirt PIV with Sherman (you will lose on equal conditions). I'll rather see nerf in other direction (armor and acceleration, keeping top speed) than 2 vet 0 munition types. I would rather see the accuracy of the weapon lowered down and instead semi heavies and heavies get their size increased to keep values equal against them. I don't like making such comparison but what about panther countering equally Jackson and mediums? Jackson vs panther is a matter of positioning and opportunity. Medium vs panther are no match for mediums. Pz4 vs Jackson is also a matter of positioning and opportunity. Why would the Jackson have to be less performant vs mediums than panther vs mediums? Also any nerf on the Jackson is going to break the balance vs Panthers which is in a good spot at the moment. Various proposals have been made to nail the Jackson vs Heavies but all of them require modification on the mediums vs mediums balance and it seems Relic isn't going to allow it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf23 Jan 2020, 22:18 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 21:56 PMelchino7 The Jackson would be better if it was a Firefly clone basically. in a raw probably, but where is the churchill equivalent for USF? Or the tulip. Again I don't see how having 2 fire mode is going to make it worst vs Pz4s unless making modes worst for the sake of it. But what in USF arsenal is going to counter Pz4s in that case? Only Atgun? People here tend to forget that Jackson is also counter for Pz4s. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Locking OKW Tiger behind all SWS is super unfair23 Jan 2020, 22:12 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 22:01 PMblvckdream That's completely wrong. Soviet complete tech-> 10 T1 + 15 T2 + 80 T3 + 90 T4 + 10 AT grenade + 5 Molotov - 20 Starting fuel = 190 total OKW complete tech -> 40 BG + 60 Mech + 135 Schwer + 15 medic + 15 repair - 10 starting fuel = 255 total Yeah your right, IS2 price can be adjusted I guess Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 22:09 PMblvckdream Yeah because manpower is the limiting factor in who can get a heavy tank earlier Manpower that allow you to get 2 more units on the field for the same tech, I'll say yes it is a factor to take in account. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Locking OKW Tiger behind all SWS is super unfair23 Jan 2020, 21:57 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 21:47 PMLago 20 FU is pocket change. The OKW and USF tech changes are 300ish MP 40ish FU teching barriers, which is about the magnitude needed imo. The live setup is like sticking the OKW P4 in Mechanized: who'd get the Luchs when a 75 FU wait gets you a vehicle that dominates every light on the field? That biases the Ostheer roster against T3 builds. If you're locking Ost behind buildings, make it T3 and T4. That way you don't favour one teching path over the other. If all building are mandatory you'll have your T3 built anyway. Now I understood the point of all building tech is to not make Heavies a simple step forward after medium but a unit requiring extra cost before being available. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf23 Jan 2020, 21:53 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 21:41 PMVipper What? It is not good because it can not hit the PzIV? Because it can not penetrate the PzIV? Because it can not out run the PzIV? Or because it does not out range the PzIV? Because it cost 145 fuel and does nothing else than AT. It's like saying Jagpanther is good vs sherman, you don't build a jagpanther to counter a sherman because it is cost inefficient. Building a Jackson to counter a pz4 is cost inefficient but since there is nothing else available to do the job, you build it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Locking OKW Tiger behind all SWS is super unfair23 Jan 2020, 21:46 PM Imo all tech structure is the way to go. Put the Ostheer Tiger behind T4 for 225 fuel. The problem with comparing Sov/USF/Brit with Ostheer/OKW is that allied factions have side upgrades while Axis faction just get everything while teching. Full upgrade taken in account, all factions are around the same cost once all tiers built. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf23 Jan 2020, 20:35 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 17:09 PMthedarkarmadillo How so? That's specifically the opposite of what the change would be to do... Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 19:34 PMelchino7 Low accuracy + High pen + Low rof + High damage = Good against heavy armor High accuracy + Avg Pen + Avg Rof + Normal damage = Good against mediums There are other possibles combinations but that's just an example. You're making the Jackson being hard counter to both categories at cost of not being good vs both of them at the same time. Today the Jackson is not good vs mediums, it is just the best option because Sherman AT sucks. I mean Stug or jpz4 are good vs mediums at cost of being casemate but stug is cheap and jpz4 has insane stats for its price. Your solution isn't really going to solve the issue. As Ostheer you not going to have at the same time Pz4 and Pz5 (unless big game mode) so jackson will still be hard countering everything you deploy by selecting one or the other mode. As OKW, Pz4 and Pz5 will be countered by the low accuracy/High pen mode and PUMA/Jpz4 by the other one. Don't get me wrong, as USF fanboy I'd love your idea to be implemented. But as a player seeking balance, not really Imo, its better the make sherman AT being superior to what it is today and Jackson being only low acc/high pen etc.. mode In: COH2 Balance