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Thread: A mechanic to prevent blobbing2 May 2016, 07:31 AM Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2016, 16:28 PMMoaningMinnie So I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I'm of course not sure how this would play out in an actual game. This idea may have been expressed in the past but anyways: wouldn't it be possible to punish blobbing by giving two (or more) squads that are completely clumped up together some kind of recieved accuracy nerf? When you think of it, it would be pretty darn accurate to a real life situation, units bunched up are simply easier to hit. there are so many situation where you can't do better than clumped up together squads... It would be unfair in that regards. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Updates on BALANCE PREVIEW MOD 1 May 2016, 17:16 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2016, 20:28 PMButcher You are completely missing the point. The thing is always flanked. Driving in three T-34s is no art. Even with support you can drive in, destroy the Elefant and go out simply because it can´t escape. While doing so you might lose one T-34. Even if you lose two it payed off for you. And that versus an AT unit. Paks and Fausts can support it but hordes of mediums easily swarm that. I'm quite interested in what can counter Elephant if it natural counter (swarming cheap tanks) isn't allowed? In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Preview Mod - Your Thoughts After Using It29 Apr 2016, 19:47 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2016, 18:00 PMImagelessbean USF mortar is experimental, it is less likely going to be live with the patch. It can, but I wouldn't bet on it. In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Preview Mod - Your Thoughts After Using It29 Apr 2016, 09:23 AM ST + Kubel at your cutoff and when you finally think you manage to push them back, HMG34 to suppress you. Balance says no. In: Lobby
Thread: Updates on BALANCE PREVIEW MOD 28 Apr 2016, 15:18 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2016, 14:34 PMMathias_Bras So, what mainline infantry is OKW supposed to field without a commander? Obers? Obers look great on paper but are lackluster in practice due to timing and cost. They can't vet up due to facing vet 3 squads and high tech units when they hit the field. Volks most certainly are the mainline infantry. But Volks have never been about DPS. They have been about utility. So instead to balance them they nerf their utility and make them about AI DPS. Dumb idea. If Volks lose their shrecks, then Rifles should loose bazookas. Then you can use armor to deal with them. Kinda like how people complain about not being able to use armor against Volks. Why not just remove all the AT infantry from the game? Just saying this whole deal with removing the shreck from Volks is a joke. Keep the factions different. Keep the handheld AT on both Rifles and Volks. If a unit is over performing, then make some adjustments. Why not try things like reducing the range on handheld AT? That lets armor kite and rewards flanking/surprise attacks. I hope this patch dies... You´re too much in a wrong logic of if this W happens to my faction, then your faction must get that X. You're not going really far with that. In: Lobby
Thread: WC51 = Scoutcar 222 according to cost28 Apr 2016, 12:12 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2016, 11:36 AMsome one Because Captain should buy bazooka upgrade. 80 ammo I would better invest into Infantry. Thus as USF I will lost anti infantry power. This is the objective of the capt losing its zooks. Now, will it cause balance issues with the 222, only playing the patch will tell us. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M10 call-in is too strong compared to Puma call-in27 Apr 2016, 09:48 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2016, 07:11 AMDullahan It always comes down to this argument. "They're top level players! Of course they know how to best play the game." I played DoW2 for years, and the way people played it at the top level in 2010 is completely different from top level today. People get better at the game, the meta evolves as people get better. Things that we thought were underpowered became one of the strongest tools in the game. Things that we thought were overpowered ended up being pretty easily countered. People went from only using 1/6th of all the tools to using 5/6th of them. Things that were "too micro intensive" became everyday tactics. It took how many years for people to figure out that veterancy wasn't working on reinforced models and you guys have the arrogance to think that floating 200-400 munitions with no weapon upgrades is optimal strategy, a very common mistake with USF. Again, see the game I linked where USF didn't get weapon upgrades until the 14 minute mark when he could have started getting them at 6. He also never built an ambulance throughout the entire 30 minute game. But you know, ESL grand finals so clearly he knows best and he couldn't have improved in any way. Here's the link again if you want to check what I mean https://youtu.be/5vkoaybI6so You can't really take one ESL match out of the pack to say ESL players aren't taking good decision because of one. Sometime people fail and aren't at their optimal level for one or couple of matchs. People says PUMA isn't great while it is, PUMA counter everything on wheels and tracks except Super Heavy tanks and thanks to the next patch, PUMA will also counter the Heaviest tanks! Top players are like any players, they want to win and even more in ESL competition. So they don't try to innovate, they use what is the best, the simplest for them and the most effective way to win their match. Only a couple of top players are really trying to innovating things, to change B.O, to shake the meta and usually they aren't the best one, they aren't the one winning competitions. Is Cruzz the best player? no, he is at top level but not the best while he is probably the one knowing numbers better than anybody else. Is Redxwing the best player? no, but he is the player trying to innovate the more, using unused commanders, some considerate as pure crap and still win with them, making them shine and casters saying -Wow, at the end this commander isn't that bad, we should give him more tries. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Updates on BALANCE PREVIEW MOD 27 Apr 2016, 08:02 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2016, 06:47 AMMathias_Bras I read though all this and the whole time I was thinking about rifle blobs. Glad it is coming up here now. Rifle blobs were always better than Volks blobs. They always have been and always will be. They have much better AI than volks and their bazookas (although not as damaging as shrecks) still made armor run away or die. I cant believe people think rifle blobs are okay, but somehow volks were a problem. Talk about bias. Both blobs are super annoying and effective. Trouble is OKW elite units are lackluster and US don't even have any. So we nerf the OKW blob and leave the rifle as it was?! Terrible idea. Overall, I actually think the truck side upgrades are just fine. I think it is stupid to give OKW an MG. Where is the asymmetry? Honestly, this whole patch looks to be an allied only wishlist. Problem with USF blob is you remove what makes rifles being able to blob, ok. What next, how do you balance USF with other factions? If you modify USF Rifle squads stats and upgrades, you're modifying 50% of the faction units and strength. You make them equal or weaker with Grens while more expensive? Or you also modify Grens stats to keep the balance between both units? But if you mod Grens stat, you'll also need to mod Cons stats because they cost the same price and you finish with Tommies because you can't let them that strong. OKW has no mainline infantry, saying volks are is an error, they're supposed to be the equivalent of Rear Echelon, the guys you send as meat shield or support, not the guy you send to do the dps stuff. So nerfing they DPS isn't an issue balance wise, because OKW has plenty of tools to do specific dps. Today it is an issue from player perspective because volks blob has always be the best way to use the faction. I'm not saying OKW will not suffer from lacks or being underpowered with those changes, but the problem is how do you want to balance the faction and units if you don't get ride of the volks blob first. How do you know how well works the PUMA if nobody uses it. I can tell you the PUMA is a great under use unit, same as the Flak HT, that a great unit with couple of volks around to act as meatshield. Now, to come back to USF, Rifle squads are unique combat infantry, no Sturmpioneer, no Obers, no pzgren, no UK superengineer, no Penals(if they get buff as the patch says) and only 2 doctrines providing elite troops, really expensive ones. The problem lies here, the non-choice available from design. Giving a Mortar is a first step, one mortar means 1 RM squad less on the field, or coming later, or less ATpower but gives early support option. Captain without free zook is another step, you need to save amo for your zooks so you can't only count on early BARs to do the AI dps, people will need to compensate the zooks delay with fuel unit dps like a M20 or HT. Or not upgrading zooks but early Atgun or Stuart. The patch is interesting, not what I would have personally done, but it merits a try. In: Lobby
Thread: Rear Echelon Squads27 Apr 2016, 07:34 AM Flamthrower is always an appealing choice, following your logic pioneer isn't an appealing choice since you need to invest amo to get them combat effective mid-to-late game. Hell They may become even more interesting to mix with RMs with their FT and riflenade vet1. FT let you vet them very fast and then you can spam riflenade on HMGs, giving Ostheer their own medicine. Last it gives you other tech choices, delay BARs/Zook upgrade since you use your first 60-120 amo into 1-2 FT. Not upgrading nade if the mortar make through the patch you'll use smoke from it. Anyway I'm always looking for balance, I don't want to improve RE only for the sake of having them better and USF better, I want them balance and offering interesting options at cost of decision and delaying other things. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rear Echelon Squads27 Apr 2016, 07:12 AM Remove from them the ability to pickup rack weapons and give them riflenade ability vet1 (same as gren) and flamethrower for 60 amo. So 1- USF need to equip Zooks on some RM which reduce the LMG blob power. 2- You'll need to keep your RE alive to use riflenade and mix them with your RM squads, here again reducing LMG blob power since they can't pick them and need to go close to deal flame damage. In: COH2 Balance