Problem with Tiger and probably IS-2 is people are getting too cocky with them, they believe they can use it aggressively when in fact, no you can't. You have an expensive unit you need to babysit, you can't really use it as spearhead since you don't know if what you face will triple pen it or not.
Imo this is why I think the pershing is in far better position than those 2. If the tank has less raw stats, its maneuverability make is much more useful on the battlefield.
On the other hand, you have the King Tiger which let you do all of it because it has a better firepower and good healthpool and armor.
If I had to buff both the tiger and the IS-2 without touching much their actual stats, I would reduce the lifespam required to engine damage them, something like 50/60% health point instead of 75% so you can use them a bit more aggressively without fearing to be fausttodeath just because you get hit once before being faust.
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Thread: Relic when you finally buff IS-2?17 Jul 2017, 14:42 PM
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Thread: Relic when you finally buff IS-2?17 Jul 2017, 09:21 AM
IS-2 paired with Su-85 or 76 is a fucking beast. The tank is not the Shock one we knew from the past, honestly its main gun sucks. But boy, that armor. Every German player has played at least a few games where he fought an IS-2 and every shot simply bounced for 5-10 times in a row. Be it a PaK or a Tiger. Same could be said for the King Tiger with a pair of Jagpanzers, but the King Tiger has a valid gun and turret... I played a 2vs2 with a random soviet yesterday and I have been the first surprised when he told me he will soon have a IS-2, have been months seen I saw one on a game. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Company of Heroes 2 needs Punishment for leaver players10 Jul 2017, 13:47 PM
The community isn't enough big for that. I'm top100/150 with USF on 2vs2 random, I would most likely never meet any players if I couldn't match team mates. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Unofficial Revamp mod (EFA & WFA & Brits)10 Jul 2017, 12:17 PM
Not really, the problem with the DHSK is Penal+AT associate with DHSK. Take away any form of AT from Penals and the strat lose its power. In: COH2 Gameplay |
Thread: Company of Heroes 2 needs Punishment for leaver players10 Jul 2017, 09:50 AM
The game isn't enough supported to promote disconnection penalties. In CS:Go, you can voteban a player AFK and the community is reactive to permaban bad players. If you add a disconnection penalty to COH, players will stay on the game AFK or start to ruin your game, sending his army to feed your opponents or attacking your base etc... And there is no support or tools to deal with that. You can send the replay to Relic but they are unlikely to permaban them. And since you can't voteban an AFK player, you are just going to end up eating your own medicine = You'll be the one disconnecting and getting the penalty. You have to accept the risk to play with random, if you can't that's fine, find a mate and play with him. It is usually easy, you just need to play well on random teamgame and people send you invite to continue to play with you. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Unofficial Revamp mod (EFA & WFA & Brits)10 Jul 2017, 06:18 AM
I'm afraid modders have forgotten why they were doing the mod in first hand. To have something ready to be presented to Relic and being implemented. If the mod is proposing many interesting things, it went too far. There are so many changes how Relic is suppose to pick-up things in it whithout breaking the actual balance. In: COH2 Gameplay |
Thread: Units balance cost and upgrades8 Jul 2017, 09:05 AM
Both can be associated. In: COH2 Gameplay |
Thread: Units balance cost and upgrades7 Jul 2017, 16:40 PM
There are other tools to balance factions and units early/mid and late game and I wonder why Relic never used them as primary stat for the balance. If we compare 2 units such as Riflemen and Grenadier, people are most likely to take in comparison their size, buying cost, reinforcement cost, upgrade available and dps stat. But there are 2 others stats that can make the balance work better between the two of them: the upkeep and popcap. When it comes to balance, I have the feeling people always configure popcap cost of any squad to be the closer possible to the squad size like a 5men squad costing 6 or maximum 7 popcap and the only variable about this is if the squad is/can be considerate as elite or not. When in my opinion popcap should be a complete arbitrary value and only depending on balance wishes: how do we(as game designer) want players to use this particular squad, do we want him to build a lot of them or few of them and what impact on the game do we want from them and at which cost. Squad Popcap should be completely dissociated to the squad size and unit power and solely depending on Balance and Gameplay meaning. We know popcap and upkeep are linked and form what I call the macro-economic cost of a unit when the buying and reinforcement cost are what I call micro-economic cost. What does it mean. -Micro-economic cost means that a unit with a high buying and reinforcement cost but low popcap cost you nothing if you don't lose any model. You have your squad on the field, you paid for it and until you need to reinforce it, its impact on your economy is low since the upkeep is low. -Macro-economic cost means a unit with a high popcap and upkeep cost but low buying cost and reinforcement cost impacting your economy over time (mp income reduced by upkeep). Until you start losing models and thus reducing your popcap the unit cost you manpower by affecting your income. In other words, a Micro-economic unit is more related to Elite unit you need to keep alive at all cost and lose a little as possible models and a Macro-economic unit is related to your backbone infantry requiring your to use them in order to balance their over-time cost. (An Elite unit is most likely going to have both Macro and Micro economic cost high, this is an example) You can keep your elite unit for ambushes and use it supportively. Your backbone infantry need to be used as much as possible to mitigate its upkeep cost. In practice, what does it means. Let's imagine that Riflemen squad popcap is 10 but with a lower buying and reinforcing cost than today. So buidling 4 RM brings you to almost half of your army population, + 1 Rear echelon and lieutenant and you go over 50% of your popcap. In order to keep your army viable and mitigate this cost you need to have your squads always fighting and pushing the enemy lines. Now something important to note is every time you retreat a full health RM squad, you are losing manpower, the time to retreat + the time to get back to fight make you lose manpower via the high upkeep associated. As opposed, retreating a RM 2men squad cost you much less until your reinforce it. Macro Economic units are more impacted by suppressive fire in term of economy. This mechanic of increasing popcap is particularly interesting to reduce the blob power. Continually blobbing 4-5 squads with high popcap and retreating as soon as you meet an HMG suppressing you but not killing so much models make you lose manpower via their high upkeep. Going full Riflemen, like 5 or 6 squads would be an over-kill for your economy. Even if you lose many models in the battle, your low income would not allow you to reinforce and develop furthermore your army. In practice, this also requires some adjustment in teching and tiering. if 4 RM squads take you 40 popcap, how do you bring your army to the late game? With upgrades, in any forms, building each tier could reduce the upkeep cost, veterancy as well and finally some special upgrades to buy at specific tiers. Having a lot of Riflemen could be a strategy but costing you the price of an upgrade on T3 to be viable on the long run, a price that can includes fuel and so forcing you to take strategic decisions. Those strategic decisions would happen at each tier of the game in case of tier upgrade. The player would have to think where to spend his economy. To reduce the impact of his early game units or to invest directly on the next tier unit with the possibility of "bankrupt" if it goes bad. In: COH2 Gameplay |
Thread: Unofficial Revamp mod (EFA & WFA & Brits)4 Jul 2017, 12:26 PM
And what? It cannot kite but it can 2 shot a sherman. It has much more range than a M36. M36 and elefant have their own specificities but the same logic you apply to the M36 applies to those big cats. In: COH2 Gameplay |
Thread: One-time heavy tanks?4 Jul 2017, 11:20 AM
I would rather implement a fuel/mp cost to repair anything considerate as heavy/super heavy. In: COH2 Balance |
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