Profile of Esxile

You can, you can go Dodge -> M20 -> Stuart -> Scott -> Sherman with withdraw and refit ability


But yea, generally it is used as an a**saving ability that lets you tho change your amy composition fast when a strategty isnt going well - a reactive ability

Because those units scale poorly on late game. That's why i say if the WC51 get refit for better scaling in the patch, you're not going to use W&R on it. Same if the M20 get a price reduction.

Anyway I just wanted to point out that W&R isn't that super good-keep it at all cost. Imo improving the WC51 and replacing W&R with the HT mortar would bring better options to the doctrine.
If the WC51 doesn't get any change, keep it.

Lets wait for DBP Commander changes.

I am really courious how they change this commander and how useful the ability will be afterwards.

Right now its a great ability in a meh commander

I play this commander a lot vs OKW. In fact 90% of my game vs OKW when the map is open for the WC51 advantage. Otherwise I play Rifle company for the flamethrower, rifleflare phosphorus barrage and sometime the EZ8 (cuz the M4 is better vs infantry).
I don't think it is a meh commander, only the M3 is meh in it. But it is an early-mid game commander without tank call-ins so people aren't looking at it as the Armor one on 1vs1 or Pershing/Calliope in teamgame.

In fact, I think while withdraw and refit is a cool ability, it is has a poor interest in this doctrine. If today W&R is interesting it is because the Jeep is too squishy to be used after 4 minutes. Make the Jeep more reliable and with a midgame purpose (an Infantry scanner like the Kubel or a capping ability with vet) and W&R will become useless in this doctrine.

And I don't want to be rude in advance, but don't say that W&R is interesting with other USF light vehicle, the argument is as much ridiculous as the Capping ability for Soviet tanks. Something you have used 2 or 3 times for fun and helped you won 1 game in a 2 years period of time.

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There is a point that need to be clarified Mr Smith. There are 3 types of commanders (with some variances), in my opinion.

- Early dominance commanders, such Ostruppen or urban tactic, giving you early tools to overcome your faction weaknesses and then allowing you to transition into late game faster and in a better position.

- Long run commander, not specially giving you better tools early, mid or late game tools, just some options to complete you arsenal during the game length.

- Late game commanders, with end game powerful tools and units, those commanders don't usually access to early and midgame game changing tools. (with some exception thanks to P2W commanders legacy)

The question I have is how do you classify yourself the commanders in the revamp pool. I see suggestions on this topic to give more late game utility to Ostruppen or Mechanized or ground force (for example) which are, in my opinion, more early / mid game commanders and shouldn't receive late game powerful abilities.

The only commander I see no real purpose in game is the reco commander. I mean its thematic is reconnaissance but for instance OKW has in stock a better tool to provide intel than USF will never be able to reproduce even with this commander, UKF has also better reconnaissance tools with a doctrine and Ostheer has, also with a doctrine, better infiltration and ambush tools with the Jaeger light doctrine.

* (USF) Mechanized Company
Seems this commander encourages early game utilization of fuel to keep pressure on the enemy, but then when later game hits you can recall your vehicles so no harm no foul. The M3 halftrack is just a little too expensive. It's not the worst commander really, it just has no late game. Maybe swap the air recon with an EZ8 or Pershing to insensitive that it is a mechanized army?

Wanted to point out that mechanized =/ armored. Not sure if a tank really suit in the doctrine.

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I'm around rank 30/40 as USF on 2vs2 random and I can tell you I never build Jackson. On team game they are a waste of money and popcap. And I have banned all the corridor maps that favor Jagt and Elef.
USF lategame is all about 3 choices:

1- Artyfest spam Calliope or Priest
2- Pershing
3- Sherman Spam

None of them can counter heavy tank play. It is all about closing the game before OKW and Ostheer reach their critical mass.

Jackson as it is today is more than fine. Problem is USF missing tools around and Jagt/Elef. I think the modification brought to those two monsters are enough to rebalance the power equitably but USF should have access to:

1- stock late game arty, doesn't need to be at Calliope or Priest level but something that can force off your opponent from its position. USF already have something with the PakHowit but it is not enough for the late game.
2- stock heavy tank, doesn't mean to be a pershing but a heavy medium clone to EZ8, something that can take more than 4 hits before retreat, either by having a enough HP or strong armor stats.
3- stock effective AT mines and not being forced to build a m20, M7 mines are interesting but they aren't mean to be effective on the late game.

Without that, the jackson will never find its place on the game, or being too strong or too weak vs Ostheer or OKW.

There is no need to give USF both stock heavy tank and arty, something like UKF tech choice could be done. The player must choose between both and complet it with doctrinal stuff.

USF

Mechanized Commander
- WC51 a bit more health or front armor or reduce its price (200mp) (10fu) and pop (7). And improve its pathing, 3/2 times I have it destroyed is because of its stupid pathing.
- Withdraw and refit is fine
- Replace the M3 half-track with the M5 and remove the AE from the load.
- Reco swipe is fine
- 155mm arty barrage is fine

Reco Commander
- Forward Observer to be changed to the Panzerfusiller bonus vision
- Ir pathfinder, reduce their pop cost to 5.
- M8 Greyhoud to a Stuart like armor wise, but with less AT power and more AI.
- Reco swipe is fine
- Airdrop combat group, remove the Atgun and reduce its price (500mp) and CP requirement (6CP).