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Thread: USF radical design changes ideas24 Oct 2018, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 15:44 PMelchino7 That's why i also swap the LT for the Cpt. I'll go a step even further and reduce the Cpt to 4 models if the tier is still too strong. Mind that Stuart AI has also been reduced and no longer as worth to rush as a shock unit. Problem comes from what kind of changes are available to be done. Too strong? that's not what I was thinking, you'll have whatever other factions get at the same time. AAHT + ATgun would simply not worse it and need a serious revamp. M20 and AAHT aren't good combo neither, building a M20 would lock you without suppression unless investing 50 more fuel on a light vehicle that die in two shots. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas24 Oct 2018, 15:03 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 14:29 PMelchino7 I think there's still chance to make some changes, but not in the same scale as say the OKW rework. I think you need to maintain the same "framework" while adjusting small bits which can give you different timings and accessibility of the units. 1-Swapping units from tiers. This one i think is the most tame one and the one most likely to be used. That been said, the only combination i could see be done is: Cpt: 50cal, Pack Howi, Stuart LT: M20, AT gun, AA HT From here on out, i think the free officer system needs to be adjusted. Which makes things more complicated. 2-Making tech cheaper, while removing free officers. This would be mostly a mp based thing. 3-Same as point 2, but locking down certain shock units behind a further tech upgrade. For example: in the current roster, locking down AA HT/Stuart and later on Sherman/Jackson. In the case of the major, this is for improving the timing of certain call in vehicles. I don't see this working to be honest, I thought a lot about how swapping units and it simply doesn't work. Combo HMG.50 + Stuart is always going to be a better choice than AAHT + M1Atg. AATH and ATG a pure support units you can't really expose unlike the stuart and HMG.50. Atgun can't support well the AAHT because the first threat for your AAHT isn't infantry, isn't Lv's but Atguns. Pak40 or raketen only need two hits to wreak it. On the opposite, the only significant danger for the Stuart is the PUMA, which can be handled with good micro, then the HMG.50 can deal with infantry and retreat if needed. Above that, HMG.50 + pak howitzer + Stuart, that's a great combo! The AAHT would need a serious buff to make it appealing vs it, and a kind of buff no one is going to accept. Second point, removing officer and adding tech layers to unlock faster certain units is a possibility to explore I agree with that. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas24 Oct 2018, 08:41 AM Sorry but why would you refit your riflemen squad for an officer's one? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas23 Oct 2018, 17:31 PM Not like it was already the case. Or where does come the fact USF was an early dominating faction a year ago to what it is today. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: M5 quad underwhelming23 Oct 2018, 15:42 PM T70 soft counter Luch and can keep a Puma at distance with some good hit. Does the M5? nop. M5 could have a better synergy if moved into T2. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas23 Oct 2018, 15:25 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 15:20 PMVipper Total fuel cost is not really comparable since only UKF and Ostheer have linear tech lines. Soviet UKF and USF are designed to skip techs. Not linear isn't equal to total cost. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas23 Oct 2018, 14:06 PM At the end, first sherman is hitting the field around the same fuel price than today. 10 fuel more if no upgrade, no callin ligth vehicles. less expensive in case of teching upgrades or/and callin light vehicles. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas23 Oct 2018, 11:33 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 10:51 AMTiger Baron Sorry for the double post but I just wanted to elaborate further. One way of doing it as it was suggested was making the officers more like the British ones from CoH, where they're a 1 man squad focused more on utility rather than combat. So for instance the Lt could be the combat support officer with an aura around it buffing other units, the Captain could be the more defensive oriented officer with a defensive aura of some sort and the Forward retreat point and the Major could have the building supervision instead but recon and artillery as well, make it a risk vs reward unit which is both useful on the frontline and at the base, keeping in mind the risk of course. Aura are promoting blob in fine, I'm not fan of it. Now what to do with officers is an open topic, my ideas were mostly elaborated with Elite infantry in mind, to complement them with one or the other officer. Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 11:19 AMLago I think you can make USF competitive again with a pretty straightforward teching cost reshuffle. Lieutenant: 200 MP 50 FU -> 280 MP 35 FU Captain: 200 MP 60 FU -> 280 MP 45 FU Major: 240 MP -> 160 MP 135 FU Grenade Unlock -> 150 MP, 15 FU M20 Utility Car, AAHT, Stuart -> requires Grenades, Racks, or a second officer to build This is essentially what was done with Ostheer in DBP: shift the teching costs around to make the tech fork less painful. » The total cost to unlock Major is unchanged, as is the unlock cost for any USF light vehicle. » The 15 FU reduction to the first two officers makes double teching less painful in terms of fuel, but it no longer confers a hefty manpower advantage. » As the first officer comes out sooner, USF is no longer forced into building three Rifleman squads. This allows USF to diversify their builds. Getting their first Thompson Officer out sooner also helps repel early game OKW rushes. Don't really like this, USF LVs come too late in my opinion, they are less effective than other factions counter part, being field earlier is a way to make them work again. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas23 Oct 2018, 10:27 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 08:50 AMKatitof That's more of an idea for a mod as nothing radical will happen to USF. Sadly, yes I know. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF radical design changes ideas23 Oct 2018, 08:47 AM After many thought and reading opinions, I came to the conclusion USF faction is flawed by design and moving units from a tier or another without changing the Free officer system and tiering wouldn't do anything great. So I started thinking of how officers could be re-used and how teching could works. Teching is now linear. - Free officers are removed, T1 price is reduced, ambulance fuel cost removed, some prices and stats adjusted. - 1st sherman (without spending side upgrades or building Lvs) comes 10 fuel later than with the current design but upgrades and Lvs are now cheaper on fuel making the use of them less punishing from techning. - T1 comes much sooner increasing BO diversity, the idea is that one of the unit present from T1 becomes what old officer system was providing as 4th or 5th unit on the field. - M20 also comes much sooner (with a mp cost reduction) giving more room to apply pressure and counter early sniper. It also force the opponent to react to it by teching T2 faster or to build an early raketen. - T2 is more a pressuring Tier if you want to delay your armor but applying earlier pressure. As mentioned, Lvs are cheaper in fuel so less punishing. At the end the fuel cost of having one Lv before sherman is almost the same as with the current design. - Officers (lt and cpt) are exclusive, one is a dedicated Close quarter squad and the other a long range support, the aim is to combine them with your doctrine selection to complement your choices. They are not mandatory to tech T3. - Major cost 20 fuel, there is maybe room to improve his functionality on the field to better reflect his cost. - Grenades are much more accessible, as the ambulance is not fuel free players can invest on grenades without having too much drawback. T0 Rear Echelon 200mp Riflemen 270mp M1 81mm Mortar 240mp Ambulance 200mp Grenades 100mp / 15fuel Bars&Zooks 100mp / 15fuel T1 100mp / 30fuel (30sec delay) HMG.50 280mp ATG M1 270mp M20 280mp / 20fuel T2 100mp / 60fuel (40 sec delay) M15 halftrack 270mp / 30fuel - base Health from 320 to 360 to survive 2 shots. M5A1 Stuart 270mp / 50fuel Pak howitzer 340mp Lieutenant 320mp / 30fuel - comes with 3 thompsons, exclusive with captain, vet3 sprint, no weapon slot and can’t drop weapon. Captain 340mp / 30fuel - comes with 2 M1919, exclusive with Lieutenant, on me ability and supervise, no weapon slot and can’t drop weapon. T3 200mp / 90fuel M4A3 Sherman 340mp/110fuel M8A1 Scott 260mp/75fuel M36 Jackson 400mp/140fuel Major 200mp / 20fuel - Reco plane, Barrage, FRP Modification for the most impacted doctrine with this change: Airborn Doctrine CP0 - Pathfinder - 300mp CP02 - Paratroops - 380mp CP03 - Ressource drop - Munition crates are dropped a cost of manpower CP06 - Strafing run CP08 - Bombing run Reco Doctrine CP0 Raid Tactic CP0 I&R Pathfinder - 300mp CP02 Paratroops - 380mp (no thompson) CP04 M8 Greyhound CP08 Cluster bombs In: COH2 Gameplay