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Maybe let them upgrade mp40s (45-60 ammo?) at veterancy 3? And if they've upgraded shreks they couldn't take the mp40s and vice versa

It's just not as good alone as it used to be, now you must have something to scout for it or it's extremely easy to flank etc.

Having a vetted t70 in recon mode near the ISU gives all the vision you're ever going to need

At one point I was trying and trying to make use of the German Infantry Doctrine but I just couldn't utilize it to the max since all the off maps are pretty bad, I was able to win matches but the commander had very little to do with it

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This is just getting out of hand, from my experience of playing against top 100 players in 1v1/2v2 T34/76s are only useful if you have a fuel advantage your opponent so that there will be no tanks to smash the the 34/76 at the moment when you get it on the field

But as long as countering a Panther in a NORMAL game against a opponent of your lvl, T34/76 isn't going to do too much good for you, if you manage to kill your opponents panther with two 34/76s there's a lot wrong with your opponents play or the tank is completely unsupported, since most of the times there will be 2 paks + 3-4 mines covering the panther, this pretty much means that at every flank you try to attack, there will be a pak and or mines waiting for your lovely tank.

It seems that you're assuming that you should be aggressive with the su85 but that's just way too risky, the su-85 should be used as a defensive tool and not over extend. this makes the panther be completely useless for the opponent, the only time you should "over extend" with the su85 is when your opponents paks are out of action so there will be no cover for the Panther, have a sweeper run in the battlefield to spot the mines.

But for t34/76s there is no way to get a surpsising attack against an decent opponent because there should ALWAYS be supporting infantry etc.

But to the actual thread now in which the OP was talking about teamgames, and this again brings another problem here since there will most likely be more than one players units in the same area so 2-3 t34s wouldn't do the trick there for sure

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Did you check my playercard? I kinda feel like i'm in the top 10% of the playerbase here, based on the 1v1 and 2v2 ranks that I have...

Two T34/76s can't deal with a panther as long as the player isn't a total moron, there will be paks, mines and sometimes even ShrekPzGrens supporting the panther so by the time you get to the Panther flank with a T34/76 it's down to alteast 50% hp, but none of these things happen to the Su85 as you can OUTRANGE the panther and by the time the panther fires first time at the Su85, there's already 2 shots fired at the panther, all this thanks to the range and the vision.

T34/76 Pene - 120.0/100.0/80.0 Range - 40 Reload - around 6 seconds (non vet stats)
Su85 Pene - 200.0/190.0/180.0 Range - 60 Reload Around 4 seconds (Non vet stats)
T34/76 has 10 armor more than the Su85, which pretty much means nothing
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I know the stats, I've checked them etc, I have around 1200 games as soviets and around 400-500 of the games i've used Su85s to counter panthers and even tiger aces.

Use Su85s to counter panthers, T34/76s to counter blobs by crushing