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Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2015, 02:34 AMbC_

New version of the mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=557952243

OKW:
Starting fuel reduced from 40 to 0
Panzershrecks cost back to 90
Volks cost increase from 235 to 250

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2015, 08:31 AMMaschinengewehr

- Volk cost increased to 260 MP, 26 MP reinforce.
You would have to make them even better and let them win every engagement against cons, which would destroy okw/sov balance. With 250mp they are right now in a good spot.



- Removal of the Volks schrek upgrade. Replaced with panzerfaust, unlocked after first tech building.

- Some sort of AI upgrade package for Volks. Possibly 1x StG 44 + 1x G43 for 50 muni?

1 Stg44 + 1 G43 makes no sense at all, since those weapons have different weapon profiles. If volks get their schreck removed, they should get 3x Stg44


- Dual schrek upgrade created for Spios, 120 muni. Spio cost increased to original 320 MP.

1.300 mp is a good price. It indicates that they win against not upgraded mainline infantry at close range, while being worse than elite infantry at most ranges. Since 320 mp is the price of elite infantry (Paras 328, Guards 330), which Sturmpios are definitely not.
Also keep in mind volks cost now more, creating a situation where you struggle for MP the complete game because all your squads cost too much MP is not recommendable.

2. Dual Schrecks on Sturmpios have pros and cons. I personally have a problem that one squad concentrates so many roles: early-mid dps, repair squad, mine planting, mine clearing, wiring and now even AT duty. This could work if you decrease the popcap from 8->9 so your late game build is not hurt by getting several of those. What I like is that Volks Schreck blobs are gone for good.

- Volks able to place mines? Just an idea to alleviate the workload of Spios with these changes.

Mines on mainline infantry should stay a commander feature, imagine you have 5 volks and float munitions... the complete map will be mined, thats rather frustrating play. Good players already do this with 15 muni s mines of the fortification commander

- Spio vet reworked. This would accomodate the role reversal with Volks as an AT platform as the game goes on. Don't touch their vet, with your suggestions Sturmpios can be AT, but can be also fighting squads. If you want a dedicated AT platform than the best thing would be to make 4 men Tank hunter Squad in T2 or T3 that starts with AT rifles and can upgrade into Schrecks.

-Raketenwerfer only able to camo when receiving cover bonus (i.e whilst in cover). Seeing them become invisible in the middle of a road is just ludicrous.

No, raketenwerfers finally became viable through the changes, remember the reason why Volks Schrecks blobs were in every game? Because Raketen sucked so much. Is a fragile unit and needs its camo. Also camo in cover means they would have to clump up and that means they would be easily wiped by nades or other AOE

- Maybe, just MAYBE, add the MG34 to Med HQ? OKW clearly needs some sort of non-doc suppression platform now that the Kubel no longer surpresses. Relying on the LeiG to do so is a cop-out and equals crappy "balance".

"Maybe. OKW needs something else to replace MGs in those doctrines. Having supression only available through commander choice is quite unfair, I'll grant that. Not sure what about what it could be though?

Remove the Spio concussion nade (no one uses it), replace it with the incendiary nade at vet 0 and give Volks ONLY the potato masher (w/faust ofc)

I agree with MG34 being a stock unit, as it can only suppress and hardly does any damage. The doctrines should get a MG42 instead at 2CP or 3CP, so you have a similar synergy like maxim - dshk

Im all for Panthers vet 2 bonuses being changed. It either needs to be 10% more armour OR 20% more HP.
Having both is too much. Also make the hitbox 50/50 like all other tanks ffs."

Panther is fine imo, expensive unit that pretty much gets shut down by AT guns and tank destroyers. Just had a match this night where my opponent lost 3 Panthers against my Pershing + 2 AT guns

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Homogenization of the game. OKW is being brought to be more similar with the other factions. This is a matter of preference, but it does make the game seem blander and it does remove one of the most interesting aspects of OKW. As long as each faction has distinct teching, I could deal with some homogenization, but I strongly believe OKW could have been balanced without removing the resource penalty

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

its main problems were that their core infantry (Volks, Sturms) couldn't really hold their weight against allied infantry.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Volks buff should make this a bit easier now, but the removal of fuel penalties changes literally nothing in this equation, whereas it only makes OKW post-T4 lategame even stronger, buffing literally the only aspect of that faction where they didn't need a leg up.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Resource penalty removal In return for resource penalty, OKW had excellent specialist units, very flexible teching, strong manpower-only army, AND vet5. Relic removed the resource penalty, but toned down vet4 and vet5 bonuses.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Does Relic really not realize that all the other advantages that OKW got in compensation for resource penalties have been left untouched? OKW Panzer is better than Ostheer Panzer, OKW Panther can come way earlier than Ostheer Panther.How can you look an Ostheer player in the eye and explain to him that you unlock a Panther (without even rushing or sacrificing part of your tech) after 110 fuel?

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

has a non-doctrinal King Tiger which is now no more of an investment than an IS2 is for a Soviet player?

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Without the resource penalty, how on earth can you keep justifying 5 ammo infiltration grenades? How can LMG34s still cost 60 ammo? Sure, Teching was made a bit more expensive through the addition of a small cost for the sws truck, but in the long run OKW have the best tech buildings concept in the game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

By the way, I am not afraid of the 6 minute Luchs. It is so hilariously insanely overpowered that I am confident it will not make it into the main game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Oh, and let it sink in for a second that this supposed faction of specialists will now have the hands-down best and most versatile core infantry unit in the game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Volksgrenadiers: I love these guys. I really do. Everyone and his dog already knows that all inherent problems with Volks comes from Panzerschrecks. Volks only ever struggled in anti-infantry department, and what does Relic do? They do a double whammy (reduce the Panzerschreck ammo cost while removing the ammo penalty) that further saturates the map with Schrecks, making life more difficult for light vehicles, which will in effect force allied players to - you guessed it - opt for more infantry... the one thing Volks already struggle against.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Kubelwagens: Someone over at Relic really has a desperate boner for a Kubelwagen as a core early game OKW unit. This is okay, I suppose, but they appear to forget that suppression is a rather important part of the CoH franchise and a good way to deal with blobs.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Please ask yourselves - what is the role of the Kubelwagen now, and did OKW really have a hole which that role fills? OKW never struggled in cap power. They already had the best early game capping potential of all the factions except maybe Soviet conspam - they start with a unit that can chase off all other capper squads 1 on 1, and they can outproduce cheap infantry.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2015, 23:35 PMdrChengele

Conclusion: No matter how much I love most of the changes in the patch preview (hooray for Industry and CAS changes) I sincerely hope Relic gets their pudding together and decide where they are going with OKW's design. We are very close to have a nice faction revamp, but I fear that the new OKW will lose all their weaknesses while keeping all the good stuff they got in return for those weaknesses in the first place.