Shock Crew on IS2?

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 20:03 PMrofltehcat

The IS2 has a 1/6 chance to stun on deflection and the Tiger has a 1/5 chance to stun on deflection. Both have roughly 50% chance to penetrate each other but the Tiger fires nearly twice as fast.
Note that those are several chances working together so randomness can play a huge role here. The faster firing speed can also make a huge difference.

Overall, the Tiger is designed to be better at anti tank and the IS-2 to be better at anti infantry combat. This doesn't mean that it needs to stun more often or anything, I think they could even remove the stun mechanic altogether because I dislike the randomness created by those big "binary" effects (stun, AT grenade, ram) based on a random chance rather than player skill.
Those effects should be noticeable but their intensity should decrease rather than their success chance.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 04:07 AMTurtle

I think it may be that the IS-2 is the only tank that can survive enough hits from a tiger that it makes this low chance of crew shock into a common occurrence in games.

Most of anything in the Soviet army cannot withstand a direct front to front fight with a Tiger for more than a few hits. Most of the time they escape out of sight or blow up.

That said, it couldn't hurt to check and see if there's a bug somewhere in there, either in some numerical value, or the shock chance code itself.

"on_deflected_actions": [
                {
                    "$REF": "action\\random_action.lua",
                    "instant": false,
                    "random_actions": [
                        {
                            "actions": [
                                {
                                    "$REF": "action\\trigger_critical_action.lua",
                                    "critical": "vehicle_crew_shocked",
                                    "remove_at_health": 1
                                }
                            ],
                            "weight": 1
                        },
                        {
                            "actions": [
                                {
                                    "$REF": "action\\no_action.lua"
                                }
                            ],
                            "weight": 4
                        }
                    ]
                }

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 07:22 AMrofltehcat

I don't think there is a bug. It is simply a chance for the crew shock critical with a weight of 1 on deflection and a chance to do nothing a weight of 4.

Code

"on_deflected_actions": [
                {
                    "$REF": "action\\random_action.lua",
                    "instant": false,
                    "random_actions": [
                        {
                            "actions": [
                                {
                                    "$REF": "action\\trigger_critical_action.lua",
                                    "critical": "vehicle_crew_shocked",
                                    "remove_at_health": 1
                                }
                            ],
                            "weight": 1
                        },
                        {
                            "actions": [
                                {
                                    "$REF": "action\\no_action.lua"
                                }
                            ],
                            "weight": 4
                        }
                    ]
                }

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 07:55 AMAbdul

so 20% chance? is it the same for the Tiger?

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 15:08 PMrofltehcat

These are the ones for the Tiger. The IS-2 has a 1 in 6 chance, so ~16.7%

 "on_deflected_actions": [
                {
                    "$REF": "action\\random_action.lua",
                    "instant": false,
                    "random_actions": [
                        {
                            "actions": [
                                {
                                    "$REF": "action\\trigger_critical_action.lua",
                                    "critical": "vehicle_crew_shocked",
                                    "remove_at_health": 1
                                }
                            ],
                            "weight": 1
                        },
                        {
                            "actions": [
                                {
                                    "$REF": "action\\no_action.lua"
                                }
                            ],
                            "weight": 5
                        }
                    ]
                }

I thought so too (the patch) but the 1 in 6 chance is in the IS2 weapon file:

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 15:53 PMParanoia

Yup agree on the shock too much. Put a vetted stug close by and the IS2 doesnt even get a shot off.

I want the possibility of stun crew turned way down

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 15:59 PMStrummingbird

Right, it was the damage done on deflect that was removed, not stun chance. Strange, I've never actually seen (or can't remember ever seeing) an IS2 stun a tank on a bounce. Maybe because it fires so slowly and the shells, when they do hit, more often than not penetrate what they hit?



AFAIK only the Brumm, IS2, ISU, and Tiger have the chance to stun crew via deflects. Stugs, Paks, and other assault guns stun 100% of the time with the Vet 1 ability only- unless you're saying your opponent had a Tiger and a vetted Stug chain-stunning the IS2, in which case that's an unfortunate fact of life.



I'd be happy with the complete removal of the whole deflect-stun thing in favour of a proper stat buff or cost drop. At least that way you get what you pay for all the time.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 15:59 PMStrummingbird

Right, it was the damage done on deflect that was removed, not stun chance. Strange, I've never actually seen (or can't remember ever seeing) an IS2 stun a tank on a bounce. Maybe because it fires so slowly and the shells, when they do hit, more often than not penetrate what they hit?



AFAIK only the Brumm, IS2, ISU, and Tiger have the chance to stun crew via deflects. Stugs, Paks, and other assault guns stun 100% of the time with the Vet 1 ability only- unless you're saying your opponent had a Tiger and a vetted Stug chain-stunning the IS2, in which case that's an unfortunate fact of life.



I'd be happy with the complete removal of the whole deflect-stun thing in favour of a proper stat buff or cost drop. At least that way you get what you pay for all the time.