Mirror Match

Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2012, 13:39 PMThrill

Football for example is really an unfair sport. Yet is the most popular one.
The game doesn't have to be 100% fair, but it must be FUN and entertaining. You can have a game that is super duper fair and boring at the same time.

Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2012, 21:55 PMTychoCelchuuu

Yes but football has mirror matches. If in each game, one team was always on offense and the other was always on defense I don't know if football would be as popular. Imagine if a really good defensive team lost the coin flip in the Superbowl and had to play offense, or if the Superbowl was a best of three and two good defense teams were up against each other and one had to play offense twice.

Football also has mirrored maps too.

In fact most competitive sports have mirror matches and many have mirror maps...

Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2012, 15:33 PMMarcus2389

I guess I'm just wrong here

Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2012, 21:55 PMTychoCelchuuu

Yes but football has mirror matches. If in each game, one team was always on offense and the other was always on defense I don't know if football would be as popular. Imagine if a really good defensive team lost the coin flip in the Superbowl

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 15:10 PMThrill

I will just stick to my opinion that unfairness is a part of almost every sport (chess being here one exception that comes to my mind).

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 17:29 PMBearGryllsFan

The thing is, matchup of two same factions playing against each other on a symmetrical map, in real time , is always 100% balanced.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 17:45 PMcr4wler

and will, if played correctly, be decided by the RNG 100% of the time. your logic.

it is not that simple... let's wait for beta and how mirror matches will pan out, i still doubt that they will be balanced though.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 18:08 PMBearGryllsFan

Good point. Forgot about RNG. Another random factor that decides a win for one or another in mirror match, therefore should be removed in order to have balance in a mirror match. But ,for the lose of entertainment, of course.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 18:41 PMlagbzz

RNG won't always be the only factor deciding about balance. The many factors, including strategies used, terrain, upgrades, health of units and decision making. There is no RNG in games like SC, and yet there are no terrible stalemates you guys are talking about. We'll have more diversity in strategies to avoid those.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 19:02 PMBearGryllsFan

Since it is a mirror matchup, players have same units and same strategies at their disposal. Health on units is also the same. Terrain is symmetrical. Decision making is also 50/5O, if both players would have equal skill. Then the diversity of strategies will not decide the game, because both players know what is the best strategy on that map, and they will do it everytime. And then, if one of the players hasn´t a good day, game is decided. Intelligence bulletins might also decide the game. So might a choice of your commander, because you do it before the game.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 19:59 PMlagbzz

Decision making is never equal, that's why we have wins and losses in coh. Unit health can be a factor, because of the aformentioned element. Furthermore, it's a terrible game where you have only 1 strategy available to you.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 20:29 PMBearGryllsFan

We have wins and loses because of the RNG, and because no two players in the world are equal.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 20:55 PMlagbzz

Yes, but RNG always comes into play after decision making.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2013, 21:26 PMlagbzz

Yeah sure, but it's impossible