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Need an advice on new mobo+ CPU

10 Oct 2013, 15:21 PM
#1
avatar of tokarev

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Hello all,

I would like to upgrade my PC in order to play CoH2 on max settings.

The current specs are
IPBL-LB baby ATX motherboard socket 775
Intel quad core 2,4Gzh CPU
GeForce 7570 2GB bronze core edition
CoolerMaster 750wt PSU
CoolerMaster HAF tower

I have a budget of $350 and I am thinking of i5 3570k 3.4Gz in combo with new motherboard.

What would you suggest? Once again, I would like to play the game on max settings, I would like to see crystal clear smooth graphics. So far I run CoH2 on medium settings, but what annoys me the most is slow loading time, sometimes other players have to sit and wait for me for like 7-10 minutes. 2.4GZh CPU can barely handle this game.

Thanks and have a great day!!!

10 Oct 2013, 16:06 PM
#2
avatar of OrvilleTheCat

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Get a new GPU (video card), no new CPU/Motherboard. 4x 2,4 Ghz are fine
10 Oct 2013, 16:21 PM
#3
avatar of tokarev

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My apology. My GPU is AMD Radeon HD 7870 GZ Edition 2 gB DDR5

There is no need to change it.

No. 2.4gz is not enough to run on max. Trust me.
10 Oct 2013, 16:31 PM
#4
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Since your main problem is the loading time I'd get an SSD and wait for better times to upgrade the rest (both your cpu and gpu are average so upgrading just one might not cut it).
also, ram is pretty cheap now, if you have less than 8gb you should get some more.
10 Oct 2013, 16:51 PM
#5
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How much RAM do you have?
10 Oct 2013, 16:51 PM
#6
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Oct 2013, 16:31 PMtuvok
Since your main problem is the loading time I'd get an SSD and wait for better times to upgrade the rest (both your cpu and gpu are average so upgrading just one might not cut it).
also, ram is pretty cheap now, if you have less than 8gb you should get some more.


Thanks for advice, but did you see the prices on decent SSD? My budget is only $350, and I'd rather go for Intel i5.

And you are correct saying that I have an average CPU. Yes, I do and I would like to change it to one with high performance.
10 Oct 2013, 16:53 PM
#7
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How much RAM do you have?


I have 4gb RAM. my HDD is 640 gb
10 Oct 2013, 17:20 PM
#8
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get 4gb more and i5-3570k (3.4ghz)
16 Oct 2013, 15:31 PM
#9
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how can he get 4gb more ram and an i5 if the mobo doesnt support either?
17 Oct 2013, 19:39 PM
#10
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get 4GB ram more ~60
amd a8-5600k ~100
small ssd for your windows (and maybe one game) ~100
thats 260 bucks
makes 90 bucks for a new mobo, which will support both ram and cpu

(keep in mind, that the real prices might be different, because i looked it up inm euro and then calculated it into dollars)
22 Oct 2013, 06:10 AM
#11
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Oct 2013, 15:21 PMtokarev
I would like to upgrade my PC in order to play CoH2 on max settings.

I have a budget of $350 and I am thinking of i5 3570k 3.4Gz in combo with new motherboard.


You biggest problem is that even the cheapest i5 is pretty well $200. That means that even with a piece of crap mobo ($100), that only leaves you with $50 for memory, and COH 2 essentially screams for at least 8GB, which costs $70. Therefore, you simply can't have an i5 and a new (tolerably decent) motherboard and 8GB of DDR3 ram for your budget of $350. Instead, you should grab an AMD FX-6300 for $120, a decent AM3+ mobo for $95 (like the Asus M5A97 Rev. 2.0), and 8GB ram for $70, or even 16GB (2x8GB DDR3) for $140. Going with the AMD 6 core FX-6300 means instead $120+$95+$70 = $285. With this kind of saving, you could even spring for 16GB ram ($120+95+140 = $355), or $60-$70 for a water cooler for silently overclocking the FX-6300.

Good luck.
22 Oct 2013, 13:25 PM
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Just save your money until you can get what you want/need rather than half ass it.

Some terrible advice in this thread xD
22 Oct 2013, 15:42 PM
#13
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2013, 13:25 PMBudwise
Just save your money until you can get what you want/need rather than half ass it.

Some terrible advice in this thread xD


Yes, or he could do that. That, however, doesn't really answer his question of what to buy with $350, does it?
22 Oct 2013, 23:03 PM
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i5 + ASUS Hero
28 Oct 2013, 13:54 PM
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Do you have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600? Which stepping?
For the RAM, DDR2 or DDR3?

Even with an i7 4770K, you can't run CoH 2 on max.
A game use almost 75% GPU and 25% CPU on average.
You must have an AMD Radeon HD 7970 GE (or better) or an Nvidia Geforce GTX 770 (or better) to run CoH 2 on max, if that.
28 Oct 2013, 14:10 PM
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Do you have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600? Which stepping?
For the RAM, DDR2 or DDR3?

Even with an Intel Core i7 4770K, you can't run CoH 2 on max.
A game use almost 70% GPU and 30% CPU on average.
You must have an AMD Radeon HD 7970 GE (or better) or an Nvidia Geforce GTX 770 (or better) to run CoH 2 on max, if that.
29 Oct 2013, 12:10 PM
#17
avatar of slother

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Hello,

I'm building a new rig for COH2 aswell, CPU i5 4670 with mobo on Z87 chip. My question is does Coh2 benefit from Lucid virtu technology? If not i wont bother with Z87 and get a h87, maybe asrock fatal1ty one...
29 Oct 2013, 12:38 PM
#18
avatar of tokarev

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Do you have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600? Which stepping?
For the RAM, DDR2 or DDR3?

Even with an i7 4770K, you can't run CoH 2 on max.
A game use almost 75% GPU and 25% CPU on average.
You must have an AMD Radeon HD 7970 GE (or better) or an Nvidia Geforce GTX 770 (or better) to run CoH 2 on max, if that.


Thanks all for your replies.

I decided to spend a bit more money on this upgrade. With Bill Me Later option on newegg.com I could spend $500 bucks and get it paid off in 6 months with no problem.

So what kind of game settings will I get with these build?

I5 4430 3.0 MHz CPU
Radeon HD 7870 2GB GZH edition
Gigabyte B85 HD3 motherboard
Windows 7
G. Skill Ripjaws 8GB RAM DDR3 1600mhz ( I can always upgrade it to 16GB)


Also, don't forget that when you get new CPU you need a new mobo. When you get new mobo you need new Windows. So it's impossible to just simply upgrade your CPU. You need to build a new rig pretty much from the bottom and up.
6 Nov 2013, 05:34 AM
#19
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Oct 2013, 12:38 PMtokarev


Thanks all for your replies.

I decided to spend a bit more money on this upgrade. With Bill Me Later option on newegg.com I could spend $500 bucks and get it paid off in 6 months with no problem.

So what kind of game settings will I get with these build?

I5 4430 3.0 MHz CPU
Radeon HD 7870 2GB GZH edition
Gigabyte B85 HD3 motherboard
Windows 7
G. Skill Ripjaws 8GB RAM DDR3 1600mhz ( I can always upgrade it to 16GB)


Also, don't forget that when you get new CPU you need a new mobo. When you get new mobo you need new Windows. So it's impossible to just simply upgrade your CPU. You need to build a new rig pretty much from the bottom and up.


That i5 CPU and the 7870 GPU represent the best possble bang-for-the buck COH2 system components. Well done. If I may be so bold, allow me to recommend the Gigabyte Windforce 3 7870, which is factory overclocked out of the box at 1100MHz on the core, and represents excellent value in a 7870 card. Spending any more money on either the CPU or the GPU will only provide you with very incremental improvements in FPS which likely aren't worth the money, especially on the CPU side.

However, if you really want more performance, on the GPU side, the next really noticeable step up (I'll assume you're using a 1920x1080 monitor) from the 7870 would be either a 7970 (now called the R9 280X) for about $300, and the now-just-released R9 290 (non-'X' version) for $399. The difference in FPS can be seen in this benchmark:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/5

Looking at the 1920x1080 benchmark, you can substitute the 7870 for the '7950b' number, as they're going to be virtually the same (give or take 1 or 2 FPS). So the i5+7870 will be giving you just under 40FPS in this quite demanding benchmark, which represents a worst-case scenario in COH2. For another ~$100 or so over the 7870, the R9 280X will merely buy you about another ~7 or 8 FPS, putting you at ~45FPS -- not the best way to spend $100 in my opinion, although you will also get significantly more performance in other games with this upgrade. Finally, by spending ~$200 more than the 7870, you can get an R9 290 card which will give you ~20 extra FPS in this benchmark, putting you at about 60FPS. If you really want to spend this extra $200 for the extra headroom it will buy you, however, I very strongly recommend that you wait for the custom cooled versions of the R9 290 that will certainly be coming out (probably by end of November) from Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, Sapphire, Club 3D, etc., and will certainly be much quieter than the just-released reference R9 290 and likely overclocked, too. These cards will likely represent the pinnacle of COH2 performance, along with the R9 290X custom cards (when they are also released).

Finally, remember that COH2 DOES NOT CURRENTLY SUPPORT MULTI-GPU, so SLI and Crossfire setups will NOT provide any additional performance over a single-card setup of the same type. This means it makes more sense to buy a single $400 R9 290 than two $200 GTX660s or two $200 7870s. This MAY change in future, but I wouldn't risk betting on it for this game, at this point.

Good luck!
23 Nov 2013, 04:04 AM
#20
avatar of Jeffe

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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Oct 2013, 12:38 PMtokarev


Thanks all for your replies.

I decided to spend a bit more money on this upgrade. With Bill Me Later option on newegg.com I could spend $500 bucks and get it paid off in 6 months with no problem.

So what kind of game settings will I get with these build?

I5 4430 3.0 MHz CPU
Radeon HD 7870 2GB GZH edition
Gigabyte B85 HD3 motherboard
Windows 7
G. Skill Ripjaws 8GB RAM DDR3 1600mhz ( I can always upgrade it to 16GB)


Also, don't forget that when you get new CPU you need a new mobo. When you get new mobo you need new Windows. So it's impossible to just simply upgrade your CPU. You need to build a new rig pretty much from the bottom and up.


You don't need a new copy of windows if you switch mobos. If you have problems activating it, just call Microsoft and they will help you.

Of course waiting until you can get the best system possible would be optimal, but with the amount of money you currently have available I would suggest something like this.

I5 3570k
a decent Asus mobo(P8Z77-V series for example)
8gb of 1600mhz Ram
7870 or the best you can afford.

I would not go for an A8 or an FX-6300 over an I5 3570k as the I5 will last you for years and it overclocks decently. Ive gotten mine to a stable 4.3. If you skimp on the cpu now you'll just need to reinvest in another cpu, mobo and probably the next ram standard. So down the road if you want another gpu just sell yours then upgrade.


Just my 2 cents though
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