Panthers require a speed nerf

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2013, 17:07 PMundostrescuatro

an at gun can tank more shots, and the su does not have the maneuvering ability to escape.

also what are you supposed to suport the su with? mines? At guns? dont answer with doctrinal units. and panthers can soak ATnades with little effort.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2013, 21:58 PMTurtle

The best support for SU-85s is actually T-34s, but good luck getting the resources to tech back and built extra tanks.

Second to that, mines are your best bet. Always mine the sides along areas you know you want to park the SU-85.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2013, 23:47 PMAdamantawesome

The only strategy against Panthers I figured out that works is either Guards + ISU-152 or KV-1s + SU-85s.

Ironically this can only be done with pay2win

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2013, 02:58 AMAdamantawesome

The game lasted around 50-ish minutes. We were holding the corner(Rostov) We were fighting off enemy incursions and they used Panthers as their main force. Mines and heavy AT warded them off, but they could get out just fine.

The cycle: Send Panther in, destroy all vehicles with ease, retreat at light speed, REPEAT = VET PANTHERS

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2013, 12:12 PMMarcus2389

He specifically said "for one player". I saw this happen sometimes in 3vs3 and most likely in 4vs4, but never in 2vs2.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2013, 18:08 PMCardboard Tank

What I meant to say about the SU-85s advantage over a Pak/Zis was that it´s an armored unit in general. While tanks need less shots to finish off a SU-85 than an AT-gun, the SU-85 has the advantage of being armored: How many AT-guns did I lose to small arms fire? - I can´t count it. How many SU-85s did I lose to small arms fire? - One, and that was a vet 2 MG42 firing at an almost dead vehicle with special ammo from the side.

Efficient support for SU-85: One conscript-squad with the AT-nade upgrade. This will definately stop P4s and force Panthers into a 50/50 (???) situation to get their engine damaged most German players won´t risk. If you are facing Panthers you are close to a second SU-85. Alternatively an AT-gun can do.

I think Blitzkrieg should totally be reworked. That´s the problem. As of now I have no idea however how it could be fixed.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2013, 13:43 PMCardboard Tank

Take away it´s speed and what does it got? Mediocre range and somewhat better survivability than the Panzer IV. Compared to the real thing the Panther is ridiculously weak already. It was a fast tank with great frontal armor and one of the best anti tank guns of the war. Right now it feels like a slightly better Panzer IV.

Blitzkrieg needs a change not the Panther itself. If it gets any slower, increase the gun range. Right now I´m better served playing Germans by building Panzer IVs only.

Most people here seem to forget it´s meant to be the best non-doctrinal anti tank in the game (it was like that in Coh1 and for this price in Coh2 it also should be).