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7 May 2019, 22:50 PMMr. Someguy

That's not a fair comparison because Grenadiers don't even have the option to be bolstered or run around with 2 Machine Guns, no matter how many resources you have you will never get these things. It's the same problem Conscripts have, lacking any weapon upgrades while going up against LMG and StuG troops.

The way I see it is Grenadiers are the gold standard that everything else is balanced around, so maybe Bolstered LMG Sections need toned down and Conscripts need a weapon upgrade, rather than changing Grenadiers in any drastic manner.

Mirror balance would work out nicely.
Give all allies strong T0 MGs, and T0 Mainline inf AT options.
Then give everyone 6 man infantry with 2x LMG upgrades and on-field healing.
Buffing conscripts to be equal to 6x men grenadiers. Giving bolster to everyone, and
MG bunkers to everyone and end-game Panther equivalent (same stats) to everyone.
(And buff everyone's LMGs to be equal to LMG42)

You either want mirrored factions, or you don't.
If that's what you want, don't be shy, go all the way.

People complain the Soviets are useless.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!

- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.

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8 May 2019, 01:53 AMFelinewolfie

Mirror balance would work out nicely.
Give all allies strong T0 MGs, and T0 Mainline inf AT options.
Then give everyone 6 man infantry with 2x LMG upgrades and on-field healing.
Buffing conscripts to be equal to 6x men grenadiers. Giving bolster to everyone, and
MG bunkers to everyone and end-game Panther equivalent (same stats) to everyone.
(And buff everyone's LMGs to be equal to LMG42)

You either want mirrored factions, or you don't.
If that's what you want, don't be shy, go all the way.

There's considerably middle-ground between exact mirrored factions and having factions that can simply out-tech their opponents.

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Grenadiers should have a stick nade. Quite weird the German Army in this game never uses their standard issue grenade Steilhandgranate.

It would be cool it vet 1 would replace with Steilhandgranate.

I think G43 should be default by the way. That would be nice. If you compare it to MG42 the G43 is evidently worse but helps you maintain mobility. Why should it be doctrine?

G43 upgrade should be default.