Why not Jagdpanther?

IS-2 after Meeting Panthers and Tigers:

Once again, you ignorance mess up the JS-2 early with JS-2 Mod1944, And please give me a frontal penetration from 1000m from Tiger/Panther to JS-2 evidence...

there's tones of Tiger/Panther knocked down pic , what's the point of this google pic?


and good luck with your 348mm RHA penetration Kwk42/L70 75mm Panther Main gun once again,

a side question have you passed your high school math class? You do know what the equivalent of 174mm armor sloped at 30° to horizontal is?

care to explain why your 3rd Reich Panther's Main gun is superior to the US M-728 (UK L-52) 105mm gun at 1970s?

http://collinsj.tripod.com/protect.htm

For the sake of god, Did you even have a clue about the 348mm RHA penetration level?

Getting some popcorn, this is better than tv.

Once again, you ignorance mess up the JS-2 early with JS-2 Mod1944, And please give me a frontal penetration from 1000m from Tiger/Panther to JS-2 evidence...

Please notice the M on the description (upper right corner). Although IS-2M is a wrong description and describes the post war IS-2 from the 1950ies. IS-2 (model 1944) was the one used in the war, it´s often falsely described as IS-2M.

I was never talking about the hull. Yet the turret doesn´t seem to offer the protection to deflect 75mm/L70 shots on long range thus not really making the IS-2 a hard nut to crack for Panthers etc.

So what now? I must be a fanboy actually preferring those sources over some statements of UGBEAR.

Once again, you ignorance mess up the JS-2 early with JS-2 Mod1944, And please give me a frontal penetration from 1000m from Tiger/Panther to JS-2 evidence...

there's tones of Tiger/Panther knocked down pic , what's the point of this google pic?


and good luck with your 348mm RHA penetration Kwk42/L70 75mm Panther Main gun once again,

a side question have you passed your high school math class? You do know what the equivalent of 174mm armor sloped at 30° to horizontal is?

care to explain why your 3rd Reich Panther's Main gun is superior to the US M-728 (UK L-52) 105mm gun at 1970s?

http://collinsj.tripod.com/protect.htm

For the sake of god, Did you even have a clue about the 348mm RHA penetration level?

PLS GIVE ME SOURCES OF 348MM PENETRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT TO SEE THE SOURCES FOR YOUR CLAIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I just asking this rhetorical since i know that he doesnt have a single source or proof for his Fantasy Claims.)

IS-2 data

IS-2 Model 1944

I give it up.You have an extreme low IQ no intelligence or logic.Just brainless UGBEAR.Never seen a guy with such low IQ.

Anyway Panthers and Tigers raped IS-2s with ease since they were much better tank fighters.

PLS GIVE ME SOURCES OF 348MM PENETRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT TO SEE THE SOURCES FOR YOUR CLAIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I just asking this rhetorical since i know that he doesnt have a single source or proof for his Fantasy Claims.)

IS-2 data


I give it up.You have an extreme low IQ no intelligence or logic.Just brainless UGBEAR.Never seen a guy with such low IQ.

Anyway Panthers and Tigers raped IS-2s with ease since they were much better tank fighters.

UGBEAR = troll.
BTW you still ignoring my post #45 there is the proof.
Lol UGBEAR is ignoring posts that doesn t fit his reality.
IS-2 didnt had 240 armour.It had 120mm at 30° same as the steelplate with panther gun was tested.So panther could penetrate it cause:

174mm panther gun Penetration(against steelplate 30° from horizont) > 120mm armour of IS-2(sloped also against 30° from horizontal.

Here's the Joke made by you, 174mm gun penetration against 30° from horizon = 348mm RHA equivalent penetration, you have no idea about a simple high school math didn't ya?

Stop covering your ignorance with more ignorance or insult, your 3rd Reich fanboism made you believe a Panther kwk42/75mm L70 gun is better than the US 105mm L7/M68 gun in 1970S' standard and you didn't even know how laughable it is.

wants proof? Here you go again:
http://collinsj.tripod.com/protect.htm

Math lesson for UGBEAR:

On the data side link armour angle is counted from horizontal A line = 30°.

Math for 5 year olds and UGBEAR doesnt understand it.

Here's the Joke made by you, 174mm gun penetration against 30° from horizon = 348mm RHA equivalent penetration, you have no idea about a simple high school math didn't ya?

Stop covering your ignorance with more ignorance or insult, your 3rd Reich fanboism made you believe a Panther kwk42/75mm L70 gun is better than the US 105mm L7/M68 gun in 1970S' standard and you didn't even know how laughable it is.

wants proof? Here you go again:
http://collinsj.tripod.com/protect.htm

Where are the datas for Panther 348mm Penetration?
I don t see it.
Ist because you are brainless.
BTW are you from russia?
That would explain all this.

Math lesson for UGBEAR:

On the data side link armour angle is counted from horizontal A line = 30°.

Math for 5 year olds and UGBEAR doesnt understand it.

(All data is displayed in milimeters (mm) vs. RHA / FHA plate @ 30°)

That's all the data, where's the horizontal 30° come from? what did you smoke this morning to believe it is measured from horizon.

anyway Good luck with your 178mm penetration at 30° , due to your lack of math knowledge, the 3rd Reich Panther and its WWII KWK42/75mm now have the greater penetrating value compare to a US L7/M68 1970S standard.

a technology leap forward of 20 years bro, you are genius! I'm sure you'll find a good job in reich ministry of propaganda during the war time!

(All data is displayed in milimeters (mm) vs. RHA / FHA plate @ 30°)

That's all the data, where's the horizontal 30° come from? what did you smoke this morning to believe it is measured from horizon.

anyway Good luck with your 178mm penetration at 30° , due to your lack of math knowledge, the 3rd Reich Panther and its WWII KWK42/75mm now have the greater penetrating value compare to a US L7/M68 1970S standard.

20 years bro, you are genius!

I know i am Genius and we also know that you are brainless.
Genius(affe)>Brainless(UGBEAR)

I know i am Genius and we also know that you are brainless.
Genius(affe)>Brainless(UGBEAR)

Yes I know you are a


and I'm so glad you accept that. Reich ministry of propaganda welcomes you!

Yes I know you are a


and I'm so glad you accept that. Reich ministry of propaganda welcomes you!

Thank you very much.
I am happy that you have finally accepted that.Accept the truth is the first step into reality.
Thanks to my good skills in logic and intelligence the "Reich ministry" has declare me to there new King.Pls remember there is always a free place for you on my side as a good slave.

you are welcome genius

174mm panther gun Penetration(against steelplate 30° from horizont

Affe's WWII panther penetration: 174mm/cos60=348mm >>>>> US M-728 (UK L-52) 105mm APDS 320mm at muzzle, 280mm at 1km, 240mm at 2km (mid 1970s)

Affe's WWII panther penetration: 174mm/cos60=348mm

You can t make such a calculation you have to test it.
Where is the source for this datas my slave?I wanna see Penetration tables for 348mm that has been testet.
TESTET.
Where are the sources for These test results?Give me a link with test results that panther could penetrate 348mm of steel my slave.

you are welcome genius



Affe's WWII panther penetration: 174mm/cos60=348mm

So you saying 174mm Penetration is the same like 348mm Penetration?
How brainless are you?

This is what you are doing:
You say there is a steelplate of 174mm THICKNESS sloped at 30° and then you make math to get the HORIZONTAL lenght of the 174mm steelplate at 30°.but WTF have this to do with the Penetration of the gun?

If the panthers gun penetrating a steelplate sloped at 30° there will be also a HORIZONTAL hole in the steelplate.And that hole is 174mm deep.The hole is horizontal its NOT the thickness of the steelplate.The thickness of the testet steelplate and the hole from the guns Penetration are completely different things.

And yes a 174mm thick steelplate sloped at 30° have a HORIZONTAL lenght of 348mm.If the panther gun firing against that 348mm HORIZONTAL lenght of the 174mm THICK steelplate(sloped at 30°) there will be a HORIZONTAL hole inside that steelplate that is 174mm deep.Its 174mm Penetration and not 348mm.348mm is the horizontal lenght of a 174mm THICK steelplate.The penetrating hole is HORIZONTAL and the THICKNESS is something completely different,

A 174mm thick steelplate has only a 174mm HORIZONTAL lenght if the plate is on 90°.When ist angeled at 30° then horizontal lenght is 348mm.If panthers gun fired against such a steelplate he fires against the HORIZONTAL lenght of 348mm and it goes 174mm deep.

You brainless noob says that a Penetration of 174mm is the same like a Penetration of 348mm....WTH?A 174mm deep hole is the same like a 348mm deep hole?I always thought that a 174mm deep hole is 174mm deep? O.o

AGAIN: THE PENETRATION is 174mm DEEP HORIZONTAL.

The Shell flying HORIZONTAL through the air and there will be a HORIZONTAL hole inside the sloped armour and that is 174mm deep HORIZONTAL.
ITS 174mm deep and not 348mm.If you make a 174mm deep hole inside a steelplate its completely different then a 348mm hole...WTF?

Never go full retard!

UGBEAR logic: A 174mm deep hole is the same like a 348mm deep hole in a steelplate.
I don t understand that.

On this Picture the armour is 50mm thick the RED line of that Picture is the Penetration hole of the shell and it penetrates 71mm deep HORIZONTAL through the armour.

If this steelplate would be angeled 30° from horizontal(and of course a much thicker testing steelplate) like the IS-2 armour and the panthers gun would fire against it then there would be a HORIZONTAL hole inside and it would be 174mm deep.

But how can a hole of 174mm the same like a hole of 348mm???????? O.o

Look.

The 1943 IS2 has a frontal lower glacis of 60mm at 72* from vertical, (effective 194mm), front upper hull at 120mm at 30* (effective 138mm) and a mantlet of 100mm at 0* (vertical). The IS2 has had historically poor turret protection, but superb hull, leading to most losses due to turret penetration or turret jamming at the turret ring.

The Panther Ausf. G has 80mm at 55* from vertical (effective 139mm), and a turret mantlet of 100mm at 12* (effective 102mm).

The IS-2 (1943) is armed with a 122mm D-25T L/43 gun, which with APCBC rounds can penetrate 204mm at 0* at 1000m, or 130mm at 30* at 1000m.

The Panther Ausf. G is armed with a 7.5cm KwK42 L/70, which with APCBC can penetrate 149mm at 0* at 1000m, 111mm at 30* at 1000m, or with APCR rounds, penetrate 170 at 0* at 1000m and 149mm at 30* at 1000m. The latter were often in short supply, so it's safe to assume the Panthers are(were) firing APCBC.

Settling the quality of steel aside and assuming homogeneous plates, projectile deflections or partial deflections, and disregarding battle conditions such as optics, ambush, visibility, or accuracy, what does this mean?

- The IS-2 can penetrate the Panther's turret at distances over 1000m, but not the front glacis plate (the hull).

- The Panther Ausf. G, with APCBC ammunition, can penetrate the IS-2's turret and upper hull at distances over 1000m, but not the lower glacis plate.

- Both of you are fucking retarded for arguing off-topic for three pages.

Look.

The 1943 IS2 has a frontal lower glacis of 60mm at 72* from vertical, (effective 194mm), front upper hull at 120mm at 30* (effective 138mm) and a mantlet of 100mm at 0* (vertical). The IS2 has had historically poor turret protection, but superb hull, leading to most losses due to turret penetration or turret jamming at the turret ring.

The Panther Ausf. G has 80mm at 55* from vertical (effective 139mm), and a turret mantlet of 100mm at 12* (effective 102mm).

The IS-2 (1943) is armed with a 122mm D-25T L/43 gun, which with APCBC rounds can penetrate 204mm at 0* at 1000m, or 130mm at 30* at 1000m.

The Panther Ausf. G is armed with a 7.5cm KwK42 L/70, which with APCBC can penetrate 149mm at 0* at 1000m, 111mm at 30* at 1000m, or with APCR rounds, penetrate 170 at 0* at 1000m and 149mm at 30* at 1000m. The latter were often in short supply, so it's safe to assume the Panthers are(were) firing APCBC.

Settling the quality of steel aside and assuming homogeneous plates, projectile deflections or partial deflections, and disregarding battle conditions such as optics, ambush, visibility, or accuracy, what does this mean?

- The IS-2 can penetrate the Panther's turret at distances over 1000m, but not the front glacis plate (the hull).

- The Panther Ausf. G, with APCBC ammunition, can penetrate the IS-2's turret and upper hull at distances over 1000m, but not the lower glacis plate.

- Both of you are fucking retarded for arguing off-topic for three pages.

put your glasses on, it's JS-2 Mod 1944 in game Mr fucking retard

In that case, it's as simple as 120mm at 60*, or effective 240mm. Which means Panther can only penetrate the turret.

I don't see what there is to argue about.