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That's like saying there's no point getting Shocks if you have Penals. They're both best at short range.
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Better DPS numbers in riskier combat conditions does not make them better than LMGs, which you'd understand if you actually played the game. I'm going to pick the upgrade that does better DPS at long range, which also greatly reduces the risk of my expensive 4 man infantry squad from getting wiped on retreat.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Nope. It'd be more like saying there is no point in getting G43 Pfuss if you have STG Volks, nice try though.
Shocks have 6 durable models, smoke grenades (utility), require zero teching, and come way earlier than Obers while their counters are sparse.
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Its CoH2, not DoW2, there are no warp spiders here kiting you indefinitely.
30 range OR LESS is regular engagement distance in CoH2, literally nothing outside of 4v4 a-move blobfests happens at max range and out of cover, where LMG34 is better, vast majority happen in ranges below 30 in cover vs cover situations, where IR StGs are uncontested winners.
Just because its automatic weapon, does not mean you need to shove the barrel up opponents ass for it to be effective.
You would understand that if you played the game AND understood what which weapon upgrades do.
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Forum warrior gonna forum warrior. Let me know when you play the game, until then your opinions are just noise.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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This sounds like you're complaining about Obersoldaten themselves, not IR STGs vs LMGs.
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I like how the moment you're incapable of reasonably respond to value based arguments you go straight for ad-hominem.
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Obersoldaten timing certainly does not help the argument for the current state of IR STGs. Overhauling OKW teching isn't on the table, but IR STGs are.
Let me ask you this, do you actively think bundling the IR STG upgrade with smoke grenades and or camo would make them OP? If so, why?
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I don't think it would.
But I also don't think "it wouldn't be OP" is a reason to do it. The command abilites on the WC51 aren't OP, but that doesn't make them not irritating clutter that shouldn't be there.
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I appreciate the added insight into your argument. I guess that's the difference in our perspectives, I don't see added utility as irritating clutter; I see them as additional tools that help define/differentiate the unit's role.
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Well there's the crux of it, I don't believe your arguments hold any value.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Its not "my" argument, its undisputed numerical value FACTS based on in game statistics and interactions of mechanics.
I'm not making them up, I'm merely presenting them.
You being in utter denial and going full ad-hominem doesn't make them any less of a fact.
Its CoH2, not DoW2, there are no warp spiders here kiting you indefinitely.
30 range OR LESS is regular engagement distance in CoH2, literally nothing outside of 4v4 a-move blobfests happens at max range and out of cover, where LMG34 is better, vast majority happen in ranges below 30 in cover vs cover situations, where IR StGs are uncontested winners.
Just because its automatic weapon, does not mean you need to shove the barrel up opponents ass for it to be effective.
You would understand that if you played the game AND understood what which weapon upgrades do.
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At range 30 and with heavy cover a lmg Ober squad will deal more dmg than a stg ober squad. And you discount that the mid range from lmg obers ends at 28 units, while stg44 obers are far range since 16 units. So lmg obers have a accuracy advantage between 16 and 28 (compared to <16 range).
The usage of stg obers is in my opinion inefficient. They bleed more than stg volks or g43 pfs, are easier to wipe and still lose vs rangers, cav rifle or shocks in small range engagements. Obers are at their strongest point when they can fight with some meatshield and when they are not in range for medium vehicles or explosives.
For what reason should i go for vet 0 stg obers when i already have some vet2/3 g43 pfs, who can win most mid range engagements? This weapon upgrade makes no sense in my opinion as long as volks get free stgs.
IR STG 44s have almost as much DPS as the LMG 34 at range 30 against units in cover (12,88 dps vs 13,45 dps at range 30). Below range ~25 they are better and below range ~15 they are way better. On the move they are much better. They are cheaper and they synergize way better with aggressive tank play. They are much better against Allied CQC infantry trying to close in. They will even beat Rangers quite easily.
I don't think they need anything else.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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stg obers still lose vs rangers, cav rifle or shocks in small range engagements
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But why should i even get in that range with obers?
I can just chill with lmg obers. And let my volks do their job. I see not one argument why i should use stg obers instead of stg volks or pfs.
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Because STG Obers deal a shit-ton more damage.
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But why should i even get in that range with obers?
I can just chill with lmg obers. And let my volks do their job. I see not one argument why i should use stg obers instead of stg volks or pfs.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The biggest flaw of the Ober StG44 upgrade is that if you lose a model you lose a quarter of your firepower compared to keepin most of your firepower when having the MG34 equipped. That being said I hardly use the StG44 on Obers.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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