Please give the MG42 back some bite and other musings

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 06:33 AMc r u C e

Molotovs don't work all the time,this is weird...sometimes they burn extremely well and ALMOST kills the crew and sometimes the guy just stays there in flames and doesn't loose any member of the crew

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 08:41 AMSgtBulldog

I just realised from reading this thread, that the biggest difference between players preferring the german side in vCoH to COH2, is that they have become lazy.

In vCoH as german you couldn't plop an MG and just consider its cone an area sealed to any enemy infantry.

For some absurd reason this is now the expectation from several players, and we see threads like this return time after time.

I'd like to remind everyone how we had similar threads even before the MG was nerfed. For that reason I have to conclude that the real problem does not seem to have anything to do with balance, but with the mindset of some players.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 09:07 AMKat

Is it too much to expect from MG42 to stop one(!), conscript(!) unit charging frontally, from throwing a molotov and forcing MG to retreat? Is it right from design perspective to have a blob of 3-4 closely bunched-up units charge a properly faced MG42 to point blank range without getting even suppressed?

If you speak about "mindset" - what mindset can one have to justify such situations?

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 08:41 AMSgtBulldog

I just realised from reading this thread, that the biggest difference between players preferring the german side in vCoH to COH2, is that they have become lazy.

In vCoH as german you couldn't plop an MG and just consider its cone an area sealed to any enemy infantry.

For some absurd reason this is now the expectation from several players, and we see threads like this return time after time.

I'd like to remind everyone how we had similar threads even before the MG was nerfed. For that reason I have to conclude that the real problem does not seem to have anything to do with balance, but with the mindset of some players.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 09:07 AMKat

Is it too much to expect from MG42 to stop one(!), conscript(!) unit charging frontally, from throwing a molotov and forcing MG to retreat? Is it right from design perspective to have a blob of 3-4 closely bunched-up units charge a properly faced MG42 to point blank range without getting even suppressed?

If you speak about "mindset" - what mindset can one have to justify such situations?

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 01:30 AMdarealslimshady

The problem with the MG is that its useless by itself.

Case and point: I was playing against a guy yesterday in a 1v1 who was completely ignoring a conscript unit. The conscript unit ran directly in front of my MG42 which sprayed it down twice. He finally got pinned by the third burst (at which point he finally started paying attention to his squad). However, by that point he was close enough to continue crawling a few more feet, toss a molotov, and force a retreat of my MG.

I think the MG42 was WAY over nerfed. I think the arch fix was fine, but the suppression the MG42 causes is way too nerfed. Squads running through red cover should be pinned by the second burst at the latest.

As far as the whole d*ck swinging contest goes. I think what Dave was trying to say is that when people who have been playing company of heroes probably as long as you've been alive, have constructive criticism about the game, it should be respected or at least considered.

RoMDarealslimshadY was the alias I went by on coh1. I was top 5 with both vCoH armies on the LOL Ladder. While I wasn't the best player ever, I certainly won WAY more than I lost vs top competition. While I haven't put nearly as much effort into coh2 (because it's LOL broken right now), if you haven't heard of me, chances are you didn't play coh1 very long (if at all).

/end d*ck swinging competition and resume constructive criticism about the game.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 17:19 PMVonIvan

especially at vet 2 it's suppression is increased tenfold and it becomes a very powerful unit in the game

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2013, 22:49 PMShazz

The problem I think relates to cover, even extremely partial cover like a random bush or log or, later game, misc craters that they happen to be passing through. I only ever see conscripts walking through MG fire without a care in the world when this is true. Even if they just dip into it for a second, it seems to grant them a decent suppression resistance.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2013, 05:08 AMEupolemos

I'm curious - what happens at vet2? I thought they only got a healthbuff.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2013, 05:27 AMAppleseed

Veterancy1:light_team_weapons_german_vet1_mp
Xp needed 480

Veterancy2:
armor_modifier ["1.25", ""]
accuracy_weapon_modifier ["1.78", "hardpoint_01"]
Xp needed 960

Veterancy3:
armor_modifier ["1.8", ""]
Xp needed 1920

hmm i don't see suppression anywhere just accuracy and armor