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Double bar rifles do outperform the mentioned units even with upgrades just as he said. -again with exception of lmg obers at long range only.
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They are on par with Fusiliers and the G43, obers outpreform them medium to long range, MG42 grens outpreform them at medium to long range.
Fallschirms beat them at all ranges.
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Permanently BannedGotta love how his argument keeps going back to "Double BAR Riflemen!".
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Why don't u just play Ost and get 3-4 grens without an mg and face off against a few riflemen. You'll quickly understand how cost inefficient grens are against riflemen. Without a mg supporting, riflemen are free to charge grens and take advantage of dps twice that of grens at point blank while costing only 17% more.
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Yes, your right, at max range the g43 pzerfusiliers are on par, but they're doctrinal, arrive at cp2, cost 10mp more but 30 munis less so they actually cost similarly to double bar riflemen. LOL, lmg42 grens outperform DOUBLE bar riflemen at medium range??!!! You'll be very lucky to even match up against double bar rifles at max range let alone medium range. If lmg grens match double bar riflemen at midrange, nobody would bother getting a microintensive hmg42.
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Why don't u just play Ost and get 3-4 grens without an mg and face off against a few riflemen. You'll quickly understand how cost inefficient grens are against riflemen. Without a mg supporting, riflemen are free to charge grens and take advantage of dps twice that of grens at point blank while costing only 17% more.
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And cons beat grens up close too, the trick is getting there. Rifles don't have moving camo where they can pop up in optimal range and catch the enemy before they can start putting shots into them. This is actually the exact reason close range squads all have some means of closing (sprint, smoke or camo) because taking fire closing is an RNG fest of who will Winn by the time you get to your optimal range. Drop a rifle model on approach and you are 4 on 4 where the grens, especially with that lmg will shred you.
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This isn't me joking around. The LMG is a long range weapon with a very low dropoff. The LMG grens lose handily at close range but match at 20-25 and from 25+ they preform better.
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Something tells me that wouldn't go as well as you think.
My USF experience tells me, Grens can chill in cover and pick Riflemen as they approach, if you can close in without taking damage then you will feel the reward of your extra 40 MP.
It's hard to be cost inefficient when you are cheaper.
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Yes, u are joking. If lmg grens match double bar riflemen at range 20-25, you'd hear about grens being op all day all night on this forum just like the recent JLI rants. I'm done with you. You're beyond delusional.
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I ran the numbers and he's right: they cross over within that range.
Range 20
- Veterancy 3 Grenadiers with LMG42: 27.106
- Veterancy 3 Riflemen with 2x BAR: 28.23
Range 25
- Veterancy 3 Grenadiers with LMG42: 25.84
- Veterancy 3 Riflemen with 2x BAR: 24.708
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Something tells me that wouldn't go as well as you think.
My USF experience tells me, Grens can chill in cover and pick Riflemen as they approach...
It's hard to be cost inefficient when you are cheaper.
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They are on par with Fusiliers and the G43, obers outpreform them medium to long range, MG42 grens outpreform them at medium to long range.
Fallschirms beat them at all ranges.
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FYI, cons cost 240mp. Not sure where you got 200mp from.
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As yourself said in another topic, you are factically wrong, but dont worry we all get that you cant beat worse troops with your riflemen. I really dont know why obers can Outperform your riflemen, its like they had some sort of weakness, it cant be.
Except grens have worse RA stats and only 4men. Which is why it's almost a guaranteed loss at that range for grens.
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Also not true. 0.91 vs. 0.97 at vet 0.
Every time the actuaal in game vaules don't agree with your bias are you going to just keep yelling about some other aspect to try stay relevent? What next, are grens bad because rifles only cost 20mp to reinforce and have seven men and 10muni grenades?
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A) No I'm not
B) Obers should beat rifles, and do. But IR's double bar rifle fetish is being used as an excuse for the MG42 being better than all other MGs at the same price point and so we go on the tortuous, and probably fruitless effort to demonstrate why they're not commenting on the state of the game accurately.
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It seems the rat is cornered and the only escape goat it has its to give excuses and pre made arguments no one called for...
No one mentioned IR double bar until you did.
Please dont derail threads anymore.
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