Convince me that it's a bad idea with a 1 sniper limit

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 08:47 AMFinndeed

I think a lot of players get overly focused on the snipers and a desire to kill them outright.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 09:26 AMJoshua85

I agree that it's not something that should be overdone, but technically non doctrinal limit allready applies to another unit - The KT.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 09:52 AMOsinyagov

You are right, but Tiger II is exception, which was even moved to call-in section (with some UI issues). Also, it has restriction for other reason - it is super heavy, and like other super heavies limited to one.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2019, 21:23 PMJoshua85

Yup I'm writing this while I'm salty and tilted

But seriously though, I've had four matches tonight where people have gone with at least two snipers at the same time. I've won some of them and lost others, but what they all had in common is that it's such an unfunny and annoying thing to fight against, especially for factions with small squad sizes.

I know that they take a lot of micro and are big investments, but honestly a-moving two snipers around the map is not that much more difficult and can take an enormous strain on the opponent with really agressive deep dives.

I would never dream of going double sniper because it sets you up for a really boring rigid play of plucking away opponents manpower at a low effort double rate.

After playing against this match after match after gardening match all night I really think they should have a limit of 1 on the field at the time for each player.

But perhaps I'm just spitting salt here

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 11:51 AMLago

Snipers are like Raketenwerfers, they're both frustrating to use and frustrating to play against.

The reason for this? They're a 1 man squad. If your dive doesn't work, you get nothing, and thanks to accuracy mechanics its very random if it does.

As a result, the countersniper is usually the play, but this is entirely skill-based: if they're better with snipers than you, expect to lose 360 MP for nothing.

We won't see total Snipers to Pathfinders reworks at this point, but there's another solution we might just get past the Relicdar.

Make all snipers 2-man.

Make them like the Soviet ones: low health on the models (or high received accuracy), but there are two.

This means an attack on a sniper has a much better chance of killing one model and inflict its reinforcement cost on the enemy, but unlikely to get a full wipe.

Then you give the 360 MP 2-man sniper squad a reinforcement cost of 150 MP.

If the enemy is consistently pulling off dives, that sniper is going to bleed you out right back.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 12:10 PMLago

But you'll more reliably get a payoff for that dive, rather than the frustration of the sniper getting lucky and your M20 not securing the kill.

Another, much more straightforward solution is to ram their received accuracy through the roof so just about every shot fired at them hits. No more sticking them behind green cover or in buildings: if they take fire, they get hurt.

That means a light vehicle dive will almost always work, as will infantry flanks.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 12:30 PMLago

Don't like that one either? I always have more.

Setup Time: Give them a setup time like the Flak HT. Gotta brace that sniper rifle!

That'd give infantry some solid counterplay: if you're chasing a sniper, it can't shoot back at you without letting you catch up with it. Futhermore, based on HMGs, I'm fairly sure the sniper won't reload unless set up.

Combine this with a +5 boost to sight and range so they can still fight spotted MGs without having to do the shoot-jump-back thing. Y'know, what they're actually for.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2019, 11:51 AMLago

Snipers are like Raketenwerfers, they're both frustrating to use and frustrating to play against.

The reason for this? They're a 1 man squad. If your dive doesn't work, you get nothing, and thanks to accuracy mechanics its very random if it does.

As a result, the countersniper is usually the play, but this is entirely skill-based: if they're better with snipers than you, expect to lose 360 MP for nothing.

We won't see total Snipers to Pathfinders reworks at this point, but there's another solution we might just get past the Relicdar.

Make all snipers 2-man.

Make them like the Soviet ones: low health on the models (or high received accuracy), but there are two.

This means an attack on a sniper has a much better chance of killing one model and inflict its reinforcement cost on the enemy, but unlikely to get a full wipe.

Then you give the 360 MP 2-man sniper squad a reinforcement cost of 150 MP.

If the enemy is consistently pulling off dives, that sniper is going to bleed you out right back.