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Major Unbalancing

23 Dec 2018, 09:07 AM
#41
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979



Please stay on topic. The thread poster wanted to discuss

1) MG34 being OP
2) Why do Volks have fausts? Why can't we just make them like Brits the previous patch, except worse? Why can't I automatically win vs OKW at the 3 minute mark once I build a UC or a clown car?
3) A doctrine that lets you pay muni to turn your Volks into Ass Grens with no sprint


the topic is mostly about OKW and SOV balance... i added to the topic to the real cause of imbalance between okw and sov
conscripts <===

also the diversion of the argument didnt start with me...

it started with this
Use Soviet T1 against OKW, not T0. Cons lose consistantly vs volks at all stages of the game. Penals crush volks early game and hold their own late. Supplement lategame with guard squads, or the new shock troops.



See that's the problem. Your 240mp can't stand against their 250mp unit so instead you need to drop 160mp building a tech and then 300mp per unit to fight them and then mix in even more expensive elite troops. Doesn't that leave a bad taste in your mouth? It does mine...
23 Dec 2018, 09:27 AM
#42
avatar of mortiferum

Posts: 571



Please stay on topic. The thread poster wanted to discuss

1) MG34 being OP
2) Why do Volks have fausts? Why can't we just make them like Brits the previous patch, except worse? Why can't I automatically win vs OKW at the 3 minute mark once I build a UC or a clown car?
3) A doctrine that lets you pay muni to turn your Volks into Ass Grens with no sprint


For a moment I thought you were being serious, then I realise you were being sarcastic.
23 Dec 2018, 09:36 AM
#43
avatar of insaneHoshi

Posts: 911


But that about the other 13 doctrines I have for the Soviet? Why should one NEED a doctrine to make their "core" infantry viable? Who else NEEDS a doctrine for a stock unit to function?


Because that's the point of the Soviet faction. Ok stock units, good and common doctrinal ones.
23 Dec 2018, 09:40 AM
#44
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979



Because that's the point of the Soviet faction. Ok stock units, good and common doctrinal ones.


soo your saying that the soviets should only be playable with certain commanders? mmkay... lets just throw out every non guard ppsh and shock commander out of the game then...
23 Dec 2018, 09:43 AM
#45
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Posts: 911

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Dec 2018, 09:40 AMgbem


soo your saying that the soviets should only be playable with certain commanders? mmkay... lets just throw out every non guard ppsh and shock commander out of the game then...


Erm, yes? Every faction has objectively bad commanders, deal with it.
23 Dec 2018, 10:04 AM
#46
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979



Erm, yes? Every faction has objectively bad commanders, deal with it.


Every other faction is playable with bad commanders

Every faction except sov has already been rebalanced around decent core units... okw getting mg and usf getting mortar and ukf getting at nades

Try again
23 Dec 2018, 14:44 PM
#47
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474

please keep the cons ranting in the other thread
23 Dec 2018, 14:48 PM
#48
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

Hey even you agreed that cons need fixing...
23 Dec 2018, 20:17 PM
#49
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Posts: 911

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Dec 2018, 10:04 AMgbem


Every other faction is playable with bad commanders

Every faction except sov has already been rebalanced around decent core units... okw getting mg and usf getting mortar and ukf getting at nades

Try again


So? Every faction isn't named Soviet and last time I checked SU still had the highest winrate even with their "bad commanders"

23 Dec 2018, 20:34 PM
#50
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Posts: 5279



So? Every faction isn't named Soviet and last time I checked SU still had the highest winrate even with their "bad commanders"



Because they have strong cheese. Penals are over performing and the su85 is overperforming. Brits had a massively high winrate when advanced cancer and land cancer came out, once they were nerfed they completely fell off the map. Cheese =/= a balanced faction
23 Dec 2018, 21:42 PM
#51
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979



So? Every faction isn't named Soviet and last time I checked SU still had the highest winrate even with their "bad commanders"



every faction is playable with bad commanders except soviet... bad commanders were not brought into GCS as sov cant survive with them...
23 Dec 2018, 21:48 PM
#52
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979



Because they have strong cheese. Penals are over performing and the su85 is overperforming. Brits had a massively high winrate when advanced cancer and land cancer came out, once they were nerfed they completely fell off the map. Cheese =/= a balanced faction


penals are overperforming yeah... but the SU-85? i can think of a few things that overperform more that the SU-85 (cough jackson)

and most of the time the real breadwinner for soviet AT in the tournament was guards + zis 3 + SU-76... the SU-85 itself was a bit more rare
24 Dec 2018, 14:02 PM
#53
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Dec 2018, 14:48 PMgbem
Hey even you agreed that cons need fixing...
i do agree but we don't need to spam every thread about it
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