Increase light jaegars price

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 04:09 AMSkysTheLimit

Not to drag this into a larger conversation, but why can they still infiltrate? Why can anything still infiltrate? I don't want to hear "flavor" and "style", because there are a million other ways for us to make infantry squads unique. The sniper upgrade alone seems to do just that for JLI.

With how much this game is about good flanking vs. proper positioning, why on Earth is there a feature of any squad to spawn in buildings. It's just stupid, and I honestly wish it were removed in every case from Partisans all the way to Stormtroopers.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2018, 19:09 PMSander93

I'm gonna propose we ignore gbem's rambles from here on so the grown ups can actually have a proper discussion on how to improve JLI's balance rather than nerfing them into non existance. He made his point and that's fine even though no one agrees (that's fine too), now we should move on to actually bring something constructive to the table.


Cost increase to 280-300MP and ~70MU for the sniper seems to a good place to start. 1CP should stay to fit the squad into OKW's build order as this is good for diversity. Their performance is fine (a bit too cost effective right now), the main problem is that they overperform when spammed. Increasing their cost should fix this.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2018, 17:07 PMTobis

Get
In
Close
Range

Sitting in cover at 10 meters is not close range. Sitting in cover is exactly what jaegers are designed to counter. Get in close range and the penals will annihilate the jaegers. If there are already volks and jaegers in cover waiting to ambush you then you need more than just blobbing penals to deal with them. You already let them get a superior position than you, that's why you are losing these engagements.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 06:34 AMblancat

Close the range? who dont know?

If u close the range to JLI, strumpio and stg volk crush your unit

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 06:30 AMgbem

understand that they will continue to massacre penals for a 280mp cost unless the crit is reduced aswell

and explain to me how reduction to 40% crit (which was my suggestion) is nerfing to non existence? that just brings them down to pathfinder levels and pathfinders are not nonexistent

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 07:43 AMNaOCl

That's called "combined arms"...

In this situation you can't say whether its volks or JLI too strong.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 07:45 AMNaOCl

That makes them worse than pre-patch, when they weren't even used.

Their performance is fine, their cost is too low.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 07:45 AMNaOCl

280-290Mp is fair, considering they have to buy weapons.

Also, they have no AT.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 07:45 AMNaOCl

So use light supported vehicles rather than expecting penals to walk over everything with no resistance.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 07:57 AMgbem

JLI slaughter penals at all ranges...

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 07:57 AMgbem

a 250mp jager with 40% crit is pathfinder levels of power... if youre saying 40% crit is useless then youre saying pathfinders are useless which is blatantly false... note that pathfinders dont get AT aswell

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 08:08 AMNaOCl

Pathfinders can pick up bazooka's.

Pathfinders also go against 4 man squads as well as volks.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 08:10 AMblancat

Normal USF player dont give bazooka to pathfinder

have u ever played USF?

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 08:08 AMNaOCl

Pathfinders can pick up bazooka's.

Pathfinders also go against 4 man squads as well as volks.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 08:17 AMmortiferum

Normal USF players do give them BARs though, which increases their efficiency massively since they can now reliably bring models below snipe threshold.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 08:39 AMgbem

what kind of a retard gives zooks to paths?

paths dont wipe volks or grens or obers at medium and close ranges... paths are light recon and long range troops

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 14:13 PMNaOCl

I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it was possible, because you said Pathfinders have no AT.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 14:13 PMNaOCl

Also, you said penals LOSE TO JLI at all ranges, as far as I'm concerned, this irrevocably proves that you're mentally stunted.

JLI wipe nothing at medium or close range. They have an inverse DPS curve, as in, the closer you get to them, the lower their DPS is, unlike volks.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 14:13 PMNaOCl

I have made this argument before though, every time you come back with the argument that volks stop you getting close. THATS COMBINED ARMS.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2018, 14:13 PMNaOCl

Your brain is mush.