Why is usf at gun so bad?
27 Nov 2018, 18:26 PM
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27 Nov 2018, 18:34 PM
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It's not bad, you just need more than 1 to deal with Axis armor. It has bad damage and penetration, but has good rate of fire. And for heavies you'd better rely on Jacksons to do the job.
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27 Nov 2018, 18:37 PM
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It's the best AT gun in the game *IF* your using AP rounds. It's already got the best ROF, AP rounds gives it slightly better penetration than the pak/ZiS/6lber. It's veterancy is really good too.
27 Nov 2018, 18:39 PM
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It's the best AT gun in the game *IF* your using AP rounds. It's already got the best ROF, AP rounds gives it slightly better penetration than the pak/ZiS/6lber. It's veterancy is really good too.
Thats just lie, right? AP rounds only increase its penetration to rakketten level, or am i mistaken? Besides
paying munitions for your at gun to actualy pen armor is the dumbest idea i ever heard.
27 Nov 2018, 18:45 PM
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Permanently Bannedmeh pen, high RoF and good angle. U can just tap the AP round key and pen shit
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27 Nov 2018, 19:08 PM
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It's okay with vet. The problem is keeping the vet as it is wiped easily. As someone else pointed out, it's good for P4's and below. The other problem that it has is that it is a munitions hog if you want to use it well, and USF always seems low on munitions.
The actual one in WWII was disliked by US troops. For some reason, instead of just copying the 6 pounder, the US changed the design and ended up with something that had much lower penetration and other design flaws.
27 Nov 2018, 19:10 PM
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Thats just lie, right? AP rounds only increase its penetration to rakketten level, or am i mistaken?
So when you're wrong you are mistaken, but anybody else is lying? And you are wrong. The 57 has 130 penetration at max range, the AP rounds ability is a 50% bonus. 65 is 50% of 130, giving you 195 max range penetration. Pak40, and 6lber have 190, ZiS has 180. The 57 is also the only AT gun that gets a pen bonus with Vet.
D Besides
paying munitions for your at gun to actualy pen armor is the dumbest idea i ever heard.
It's reload time, vet 1 ability, and wider arc are the reason it has to. It's better at literally everything else, there has to be some trade-off.
27 Nov 2018, 19:29 PM
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It´s not bad.
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27 Nov 2018, 19:32 PM
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So when you're wrong you are mistaken, but anybody else is lying? And you are wrong. The 57 has 130 penetration at max range, the AP rounds ability is a 50% bonus. 65 is 50% of 130, giving you 195 max range penetration. Pak40, and 6lber have 190, ZiS has 180. The 57 is also the only AT gun that gets a pen bonus with Vet.
Where did you find the 130 far pen? I only found it to be 115. Was it buffed?
27 Nov 2018, 20:08 PM
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Where did you find the 130 far pen? I only found it to be 115. Was it buffed?
yes buffed
27 Nov 2018, 20:26 PM
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So when you're wrong you are mistaken, but anybody else is lying? And you are wrong. The 57 has 130 penetration at max range, the AP rounds ability is a 50% bonus. 65 is 50% of 130, giving you 195 max range penetration. Pak40, and 6lber have 190, ZiS has 180. The 57 is also the only AT gun that gets a pen bonus with Vet.
It's reload time, vet 1 ability, and wider arc are the reason it has to. It's better at literally everything else, there has to be some trade-off.
Wait, is the 57mm THAT good? And why do i learn this now? xD
I used a 57mm in a game recently and i held a Panther with it, a M10 and a bazooka equipped Echelons. Didn't know that vetted 57mm is better than both Pak and ZiS
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27 Nov 2018, 20:47 PM
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Wait, is the 57mm THAT good? And why do i learn this now? xD
I used a 57mm in a game recently and i held a Panther with it, a M10 and a bazooka equipped Echelons. Didn't know that vetted 57mm is better than both Pak and ZiS
It’s cuz LT tier > Capt Tier so you don’t see it that often.
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27 Nov 2018, 21:02 PM
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Where did you find the 130 far pen? I only found it to be 115. Was it buffed?
Its penetration was buffed over 2 years ago, in June 2016 patch.
Penetration values from: https://coh2db.com/stats/
AP rounds %:
https://www.coh2.org/guides/52852/the-coh2-ability-guide
27 Nov 2018, 21:04 PM
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Wait, is the 57mm THAT good? And why do i learn this now? xD
Yup it's by far the best as long as you are willing to throw down Muni. It's probably the least accessible tho, hence Gentleman's point.
Edit: Apologies for 2x post, I meant to merge them
27 Nov 2018, 21:45 PM
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It is about time this myth died
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27 Nov 2018, 22:41 PM
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Yup it's by far the best as long as you are willing to throw down Muni. It's probably the least accessible tho, hence Gentleman's point.
Edit: Apologies for 2x post, I meant to merge them
It’s also only 270 mp If I remember correctly so it’s very good. We will likely see a lot of it in the future USF tech changes
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27 Nov 2018, 23:04 PM
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It’s also only 270 mp If I remember correctly so it’s very good. We will likely see a lot of it in the future USF tech changes
Baller vet 1 too. it's almost free range since why the hell wouldn't you cover your AT guns' flanks anyway.
27 Nov 2018, 23:44 PM
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it seems bad because axis tanks generally have high armor values, and get even higher with vet 2 skirts. but as others have mentioned, the abilities it comes with, and the vet bonuses make it a really good at gun.
28 Nov 2018, 01:51 AM
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You have munition = great AT gun.
No muni = underwhelming.
No muni = underwhelming.
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28 Nov 2018, 02:12 AM
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It is about time this myth died
(Fairly off topic)
It's about time a lot of myths died. People will spam "raketen LUL" when a rak misses a shot any other AT gun would have too. People will spam "IS2 LUL" when an IS2 completely whiffs a shot from its main gun (and then completely overlook when it fires again and destroys 3 models). These confirmation bias threads and comments get old really quickly.
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