About soviet shock troops in WWII

Shocktroops were "invented" during siege of Stalingrad.
Do you think soviets were the ones attacking the city?



You confused shock armies(which were a thing, just like guard armies) with soviet combat engineers using body armor, which shock troops are. And guess what? Shock armies and divisions were not made all out of shock troops we have in coh2, same for guard armies.

The shock troops in WWII where offensives troops with the mission to create gap in enemy lines. That is why they where equipped with body armor which would little point in wereing if they where used in defensive positions.

The shock troops in WWII where offensives troops with the mission to create gap in enemy lines. That is why they where equipped with body armor which would little point in wereing if they where used in defensive positions.

According to what i searched in google, the meaning of Shock Troops is the following :
Shock troops or assault troops are formations created to lead an attack. They are often better trained and equipped than other infantry, and expected to take heavy casualties even in successful operations.

"Shock troop" is a calque, a loose translation of the German word Stoßtrupp. Military units which contain assault troops are typically organized for mobility with the intention that they will penetrate enemy defences and attack into the enemy's vulnerable rear areas. Any specialized, elite unit formed to fight an engagement via overwhelming assault (usually) would be considered shock troops, as opposed to a "special forces" or commando style units (intended mostly for covert operations). Both types of units could fight behind enemy lines, by surprise if required, however.

Although the term "shock troop" became popular in the 20th century, the concept is not a new one, such as the utilization by Western European armies of the forlorn hope. Presently, the term is rarely used as the strategic concepts behind it have become standard contemporary military thinking.


With the same logic, Rangers can also be considered Shock Troops as they are speciliazed in frontline assaults. In Ancient Greece, the Greek forces that fought in the battle of Marathon were also considered Shock Troops, because they led the attack. They caught the Persian army by surprise.

I just want to point out from that Katitof quote, the Soviets were the ones attacking the city for a significant portion of the battle, once the axis had occupied it.

Yes, it does.
Because guess what?
If they had their historically accurate name, people like you would get a stroke out of confusion.


Clearly you see cons merged with guards then


Tone down your stupid please, you've been told at least 10 times to STOP being stupid and not able to tell shock armies WHICH WERE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and shock troops WHICH WERE ASSAULT ENGINEERS.

But if it can make you feel better, can we give shocks ability to place barbed wire and repair, so jagd wölfe will finally understand the origin of the unit?

Even if one agrees that shock troops represent "Assault engineers" (and they do not), the assault engineers are used in assault and not in the "defense" and thus do not fit the "Urban DEFENSE" commander thematically neither does a Siege tank as KV-2.

You could say that about a lot of abilities in the game. The doctrine names are loose themes, not absolute rulesets.

They are urban combat specialists. Urban defense was never about defense, even prior to rework, stop intentionally ignoring common sense.

They are not "urban combat specialists" they have nothing specially designed for urban warfare over other CQC troops and they certainly do not have anything that help defend.

PLS stop the personal comments.

You could say that about a lot of abilities in the game. The doctrine names are loose themes, not absolute rulesets.

Agreed

But if you ask Katitof, apparently they must be for axis doctrines

You could say that about a lot of abilities in the game. The doctrine names are loose themes, not absolute rulesets.

Yes one could say that about allot of abilities in the game.

But one can not claim that "shock troops" are designed for urban defense. They have nothing special for urban fighting or for defensive fighting. They are CQC assault elite units.

They are not "urban combat specialists" they have nothing specially designed for urban warfare over other CQC troops and they certainly do not have anything that help defend.

PLS stop the personal comments.

CQC troops are desinged for close quaters combat, which is exactly what urban setting is. Stupid does not even begin to describe your trolling attempts here.

It does not make any difference. This game is not Assault and Defense sides, only the skill decides Assault you or Defense.

Shock troops are offensive troops not defensive.

Thread made just to carry on bickering from the Revamp thread? *gets popcorn*

Shock troops are offensive troops not defensive.

And? Stug E is clearly not defensive yet is in Defensive doctrine.

CQC troops are desinged for close quaters combat, which is exactly what urban setting is. Stupid does not even being to describe your trolling attempts here.

Once more pls stop personal attacks.

CQC is not limited in urban setting and can easily happen in forest maps. Thus Shock troops are not "urban specialist" as you described them and they will not be until the get specialized anti-garrison weapons.

In addition the are offensive troops and not defensive and they do not fit a commander described as urban defense thematically.

And? Stug E is clearly not defensive yet is in Defensive doctrine.

Yes stug E does not fit the defensive doctrine (it is not live it introduced in this patch) thematically because it is an assault gun. It fits infantry doctrine more.

Once more pls stop personal attacks.

CQC is not limited in urban setting and can easily happen in forest maps. Thus Shock troops are not "urban specialist" as you described them and they will not be until the get specialized anti-garrison weapons.

In addition the are offensive troops and not defensive and they do not fit a commander described as urban defense thematically.

Urban Defence =/= Defensive doctrine
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Thread made just to carry on bickering from the Revamp thread? *gets popcorn*

The thread was made to protect people like Andy from having to read endless pages that have nothing to do with helpful feedback.

And? Stug E is clearly not defensive yet is in Defensive doctrine.

Is actually a self propelled artillery piece.
The few stugs that weren't converted were still kept in the divsional artillery branch.

Yes stug E does not fit the defensive doctrine (it is not live it introduced in this patch) thematically because it is an assault gun. It fits infantry doctrine more.

A short barrelled Panzer IV does it more IMHO

It's simple:
- the first SN-42 was used by infantrymen in 1942 on the Western Front (this is far from Stalingrad),
- assault engineers (aka Shock Troops) were formed in 1943 and did not participate in the Battle of Stalingrad.
- Stalingrad Assault Team - this is the usual infantry, the Assault Team is a method of war and not a branch of the military.

Then what tells you that the one testing in 1942 the armor aren't those Shock division (whose name is in the game unit) and those were represented in game ?

In the single player campaign you get Shock troops in 1942.

Then what tells you that the one testing in 1942 the armor aren't those Shock division (whose name is in the game unit) and those were represented in game ?

In the single player campaign you get Shock troops in 1942.

Because Relic was made not historical, boring, the Enemy at the gates stereotype a single company that has nothing to do with history. Assault Engineers (Shock Troops) have never been used in Stalingrad. Only Assault Teams (Regular Infantry)