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5 Oct 2018, 20:40 PM
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Sorry if I missed it in an earlier post, but are other values like penetration also linear and does this apply to most weapons in the game (including infantry weapons)? I always kinda assumed they were just thresholds where if you were a meter over, then it’d apply the lesser value.

Accuracy and penetration are linear value for all weapons (flamers have constant value in all ranges).

I have a guide here that hopefully is correct and might be helpful:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/231279/a-guide-to-d-p-s-basics#latest
5 Oct 2018, 20:51 PM
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Nice! Great information, thank you.
5 Oct 2018, 21:16 PM
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Still don't get it. "linear" as taken from Google
progressing from one stage to another in a single series of steps; sequential.


If that's correct than that means accuracy, penetration etc stats change after they cross their thresholds.

If that is actually NOT what is intended, than I believe the word meaning here is "dynamic".

If the penetration value goes 50% between mid and far when you're 50% between mid and far ranges, that is dynamic. If it remains at far till your cross the mid threshold, I'd say that is sequential.
5 Oct 2018, 21:24 PM
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Still don't get it. "linear" as taken from Google

If that's correct than that means accuracy, penetration etc stats change after they cross their thresholds.

If that is actually NOT what is intended, than I believe the word meaning here is "dynamic".

If the penetration value goes 50% between mid and far when you're 50% between mid and far ranges, that is dynamic. If it remains at far till your cross the mid threshold, I'd say that is sequential.

I think he means linear like the mathematical term. Look up a linear function as opposed to a step function (thresholds).
5 Oct 2018, 21:28 PM
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Still don't get it. "linear" as taken from Google

If that's correct than that means accuracy, penetration etc stats change after they cross their thresholds.

If that is actually NOT what is intended, than I believe the word meaning here is "dynamic".

If the penetration value goes 50% between mid and far when you're 50% between mid and far ranges, that is dynamic. If it remains at far till your cross the mid threshold, I'd say that is sequential.

Linear as an linear equation Y=a*X

Examples puma has:
Penetration near 160
Penetration mid 120
Penetration far 80
Accuracy near 0.05
Accuracy mid 0.0375
Accuracy far 0.025
Range near 10
Range mid 30
Range far 50

Thus if a puma is firing at range 40 it would have 0.03125 accuracy and 100 penetration.

If the target was T-34/76 it would have around 69% chance to score a "natural" hit and if it scored a hit a 67% chance to penetrate lowering the chance to cause damage (hit and penetrate) to 46% which is not that great.
5 Oct 2018, 21:29 PM
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Nice! Great information, thank you.

Happy you find this useful
5 Oct 2018, 23:36 PM
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Got it. All good now.
5 Oct 2018, 23:37 PM
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Still don't get it. "linear" as taken from Google

If that's correct than that means accuracy, penetration etc stats change after they cross their thresholds.

If that is actually NOT what is intended, than I believe the word meaning here is "dynamic".

What vipper and loopdloop already said. I dont think anyone would use the term dynamic for this kind of graph/function/relationship, and I'm pretty sure if you tried to describe a non-constant linear function as dynamic in an academic setting, people would look at you weird.

Edit: beating you over the head with this

2x edit: that is to say, I guess its not necessarily wrong to say dynamic, just weird and unconventional because of how general the word is
5 Oct 2018, 23:39 PM
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What vipper and loopdloop already said. I dont think anyone would use the term dynamic for this kind of graph/function/relationship, and I'm pretty sure if you tried to describe a non-constant linear function as dynamic in an academic setting, people would look at you weird.

Edit: beating you over the head with this


I'm sure people would look at me weird if I used dynamic in an academic setting. Shouldn't you be beating me over the head with snipers? :gimpy:
5 Oct 2018, 23:42 PM
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Shouldn't you be beating me over the head with snipers? :gimpy:

Textbook l2p issue imo. Top 10 players hit more retreat shots with snipers because theyre better :romeoPro:
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