Reduce the cost of tier 4

All the tanks are fine right now, why would you buff the T3 units? This is crazy.

The only problem is how much resources it takes to reach full tier tech for units that are already outperformed when you get them out.


Just reduce the cost to something like 70 fuel...

you need to invest 275F to get the 1st T34... 310 to Pz4
After that, 2nd T34 in costs an average of (275+90/2) 182
Thir one even more worth its cost...
Pz4 dont scale not even close to that (2nd one for 215 or so)

OST: T1/10 F + BG1 Upgrade/40 F + T2/20F + BG2/90 F + T3/15 F + Pz 4 120 F = 295 Fuel
SU: T1/10 F (or T2/20 F) + T3/85 F + T4/90 F + T34/90 F = 275/285 Fuel
OKW: 2* 15 Fuel/HT + T1 25/ T2 45 F + 120 F/T 3 + 140 F/Pz 4 = 315/335 Fuel

How is that equal ?

Skip T2... its 275 fuel... remember that ost can skip tiers unlike the soviets which HAVE to get T3 to get T4...

remember my term is rush... both factions rush towards a panzer 4/T-34 skipping essentials like AT nades T-70s halftracks and T2...

why so?

because a T-34 in T3 would dominate every single match... it would kinda break the meta in a similar way to a panic puma

Why not making T4 not dependent of T3?
Tweak some fuel values. Make timings propper.
SOV are still a strong faction. Sad to say the only strong in Allies right now.

That was actually what i was proposing... t4 independent of t3... t4 to 120 fuel... it would make T3 into t4 more expensive... but make a t4 rush strategy stronger...

It used to be like that 4 years ago. Wasn't very good, fell into the same problems ostheer has where half the tech is ignored in 4/5 games.

Right now the only soviet vehicle I don't see very often is the halftrack. Everything else gets seen a reasonable amount in different matches. Even the doctrinal tanks. Seems balanced.

You would still see the T70 popup as the inevitable counter to the luchs... the T70 will make T3 attractive regardless... it just makes T4 more viable in certain situations like ost rushing for a P4

Skip T2... its 275 fuel... remember that ost can skip tiers unlike the soviets which HAVE to get T3 to get T4...

remember my term is rush... both factions rush towards a panzer 4/T-34 skipping essentials like AT nades T-70s halftracks and T2...

Not a fair comparison. Ost misses out on important (and almost necessary in the case of the pak) tools if it skips t2. You might as well say, “t34 comes way later than the p4 if you build 4 t70s before you build a t34”.

You need 10 fuel more to reach T4 as SU than OST needs to reach T3. But on the other hand you can push T 34 out earlier due higher price of Pz 4.

Where is your problem?

Do the math... properly this time... you will find that your previous calculation contradicts your statement

because a T-34 in T3 would dominate every single match... it would kinda break the meta in a similar way to a panic puma

i asked why so history is a horrific argument, but thanks.

i asked why so history is a horrific argument, but thanks.

Well imagine a t-70 coming out... with more HP... better anti tank potential... better wipe potential and better machineguns for just 20 fuel more in the same building... okw would be in such big shit trying to counter that... ost at least has tellers and a pak 40

Not a fair comparison. Ost misses out on important (and almost necessary in the case of the pak) tools if it skips t2. You might as well say, “t34 comes way later than the p4 if you build 4 t70s before you build a t34”.

Soviet essentials like the m3a1 scout car and the a sidetech to the mortar for smoke add a total of 35 fuel... total fuel is in favor of ost now

Lets just agree you all suck.

Lets just agree you all suck.

A year ago you told me the 50cal was bad......

Lets just agree you all suck.

Hey dont look at me... i never fought this guy... he just sent me a replay of him beating a top 90 usf player (dapope) with an mg42 spam and claiming that he was a pro...

That was actually what i was proposing... t4 independent of t3... t4 to 120 fuel... it would make T3 into t4 more expensive... but make a t4 rush strategy stronger...

They are not going to do this due to how the faction is designed, they stated many times that they want the tanks in T3 to be used more often and give them an actual purpose.

I know it's bullshit, but it's as simple as that, it's the only reason you can't skip T3, other than needing a T70/SU76 depending on the situation.

It's also the reason T34 went to T4 even though it's not a very strong tank.




It's not that hard to figure out, both T3 and T4 are expensive.

The M5 car is not used often not because it's a bad unit but because it has no use in the current meta, this unit needs absolutely no changing.

If you made T3 faster to built, players would consider adding the M5 in their build order.
The same goes for SU76, althought this tank still has good use, you don't see it much often because it's a whole lot better to rush T34 asap.


T3 and T4 should cost 250/70 instead of 240/80 and 240/90.

I don't even see how it's up to debate, the thing is so obvious, it's as obvious as when OKW got medics, snares and grenades out of one teching, relentless discussion went on that until they finally changed it.


Soviet design is inherently bad, because the meta in the game has become too stall.

A year ago you told me the 50cal was bad......

I doubt it, USF is my best faction. Find a quote if you want.