Fix and Bring back Caen

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 13:32 PMA_E

Beautiful map, a few tweaks away from being an interesting urban map that offers some variety.

It was made with a view to allowing urban combat in a 1v1 setting to work, being surprisingly open despite its surroundings. It therefore plays similar to the tournament standard rural map format, or does so a lot more so than most urban maps.

It also offers no road bonuses or negative cover to offset the confinements of an urban setting. It's the perfect example of what a variety map should be in auto-match, and is what vetoes are made for.

Myself and a few other people I know were a bit surprised it got removed. It didn't perform that badly in veto statistics or in the original polls to remove the map, and only got a higher percentage in the later rounds of voting.

I believe with a few tweaks to make the cutoffs easier to defend, and to possibly remove a few sight blockers and open it up a bit more, it could be ready for re-introduction.

• Removal of 2 small ruins near southern cut-off to allow better sight to the area.
  
• Improved impass across several "hollow" ruins that allow them to be completely crushed by medium and heavy tanks, opening the map late-game.
  
• Removal of impassible ruin north of the southern base, allowing another route towards the main cut-off.
  
• Gap widened between ruins southwest of the eastern VP, allowing all vehicle sizes to traverse the area faster.
  
• Additional staircase and removal of some ruins northeast of eastern VP, to expose the area. This area was previously littered with cover, whereas its counterpart was not.
  
• Ruins south of the western cut-off have been opened up considerably to allow larger vehicles access. This area will be crushable to medium tanks, and will open up similarly to the opposing side (which is walled instead).
  
• Small ruin replaced by green cover northeast of the central VP to allow better firing lines for the northern player approaching the centre of the map.
  
• Redesign of territory to reduce the "all or nothing" nature of the cut-offs.
  
  

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 13:52 PMMonolithicBacon

If there is enough interest, I can update the workshop file for people to test, should they wish to give feedback.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 14:32 PMRosbone

Since this cycle is a rework cycle and not a bring back old maps cycle, the sooner the new version is posted the better? I would like to look it over myself, even though I am not a 1v1 player. At least post an overhead on this forum.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 14:32 PMRosbone

The main problem I see with urban maps is:
1. Too many buildings.
2. Weird cover positions. Cover is usually parallel to the the buildings. And if it is not, it blocks pathing.
3. Lack of open areas. Close quarter combat decides a lot of engagements leading to vetos.

I do not recall Caen having too many of these issues. But could maybe use more open areas.

The version that is still in the game has the harsh cutoffs that are opposite the resources they remove, correct?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 14:32 PMRosbone

Since this cycle is a rework cycle and not a bring back old maps cycle, the sooner the new version is posted the better? I would like to look it over myself, even though I am not a 1v1 player. At least post an overhead on this forum.

As a mapper, you know we mappers see issues with maps all day long that we could fix in under an hour. But the problems are sometimes hidden until the map has seen many hours of play.

The main problem I see with urban maps is:
1. Too many buildings.
2. Weird cover positions. Cover is usually parallel to the the buildings. And if it is not, it blocks pathing.
3. Lack of open areas. Close quarter combat decides a lot of engagements leading to vetos.

I do not recall Caen having too many of these issues. But could maybe use more open areas.

The version that is still in the game has the harsh cutoffs that are opposite the resources they remove, correct?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 15:04 PMLegio_ix_Hispana

this is true but if u back cap u can negate the cutoff by spending 1min max so u can secure your fule the cutoff hurts the lazy people that don't back cap

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 14:32 PMRosbone

Since this cycle is a rework cycle and not a bring back old maps cycle, the sooner the new version is posted the better? I would like to look it over myself, even though I am not a 1v1 player. At least post an overhead on this forum.

As a mapper, you know we mappers see issues with maps all day long that we could fix in under an hour. But the problems are sometimes hidden until the map has seen many hours of play.

The main problem I see with urban maps is:
1. Too many buildings.
2. Weird cover positions. Cover is usually parallel to the the buildings. And if it is not, it blocks pathing.
3. Lack of open areas. Close quarter combat decides a lot of engagements leading to vetos.

I do not recall Caen having too many of these issues. But could maybe use more open areas.

The version that is still in the game has the harsh cutoffs that are opposite the resources they remove, correct?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 23:46 PMShadowLinkX37

I do not support bringing back that..... thing......

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2018, 07:24 AMMonolithicBacon

I can't expect everyone to want this map back - it's very niche and different from what people are comfortable with.

However, outside of the cutoffs (which have been removed) and the number of indestructible ruins (which has been reduced), is there another reason why you don't like it? At this point, any feedback is worth a lot!

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2018, 15:42 PMShadowLinkX37

As I recall it had a lot of obstacles which would interfere with scatter in tank engagements. I had one perticular match in which the obstacles getting in the way caused me to go from pushing my opponets base with outnumbering forces to losing the entire game. There were other factors in there like pen/armor and main gun crits, but what allowed those to occur was the fact I couldn't connect a single shell because the shell always missed and collided with debris.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 03:13 AMmomo4sho

Does ANY good 1v1 player want this map to come back and be a potential tournament choice?? This map sucks! For real, if we get a remastered eindhoven it would be a solid tournament map for 1v1 and 2v2!