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It was always been popular, but there were/are other commanders that Ost has that are also good.
The G43's are great on Grens, and are probably the most effective way to counter the PPSH cons, but with the cost increase of the PPSHs Soviets are instead falling back onto the T-70 to help in the mid-game. It's not uncommon for a soviet player to go for two t-70's right now. Therefore Ost players are going for the Puma to help fend off these light tanks without having to tech T2, or to complement a T2 strategy, either way the Puma is about the only mobile counter Ost has to a light vehicle. Not only that, the Command tank is still a very good unit and without tech.
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Thanks for the answer. Is it viable to skip t3 entirely and rush for t4 with the mobile defense doctrine, or would you advice against it?
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Skipping T3 is viable but only if you go T2 so you can back up the somewhat softer AT of the Puma with the pak.
If you are having a great game you can probably skip T2 and T3 but if you are that far ahead you would realistically be better served by compounding your advantage with an early medium Tank.
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Been seeing this strat abused a lot lately.
222 x2
Flame halftrack
Take over map with smoke and flame halftrack flanking
(takes 2 at gun shots to take out light vehicles, usually 1 shot misses and the when the 222 takes damage he just pops smoke)
Puma comes in to stop t70 that tries to give you map control on the other side of the map
If you lose your fuel you pretty much die to overwhelming bleed and fuel lose keeps you from teching up (Forced to get AT nades and AT guns)
Command panzer pops out to close the game / base rush.
This last patch made the early to mid very easy for wehr is all I have to say. It's just now if you do make it to the lategame, the ultra late game tank call-ins will be stopped by pgrens with shreks.
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VonIvan has a lot of subs
He is also the one who found the counter with Soviet...
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You will tell me about this counter right now, my good man!
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Soviet counter is duck your head until you can field a KV1 (includes having a KV1 commander on your loadout). Pumas can't do shit vs KV1, even Stugs have problem to penetrate it.
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Ah. So once again we go back to Guards rifle being meta for soviets
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I haven't see Von using a lot Guards in those sessions. Guards are damn expensive and I don't know if you trade very well vs multiple 222 and a 251FT, remember they have been nerfed in this patch while 222 have been buffed. I think you really need a Zis (probably two), some mines and Atnade to quickly end an overextending 222.
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So which KV-1 commander does he use then? Surely he wants one that also gives the ppsh assault package?
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He uses Guard rifle combined arms, but I haven't see him using guards in number, max 1 squad.
I like Conscript Support because of the combo you can do with a KV1 rushing in a middle of an incendiary arty strike.
KV1 has replace Hit the Dirt in both doctrines.
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Ah yes. Conscript support might actually find relevance for the first time in the history of coh2
It's is actually not bad now that it has the KV-1 to bolster the late game. The rapid conscription is still quite good, although it is now only a shadow of its former self and the incendiary is going to be great for breaking up a PAK wall before rushing through with armor.
I might actually test this one out
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I bought Conscript (with in-game currency) because of that. I wanted to test the KV1 a bit more some weeks ago, was using the Guard doctrine in many games and finally faced a dual pak barrage. I won the game but was concerned about how pak counter so well the KV1, so I had the idea to sneak around the store to see if there was more KV1 commanders and found Conscript Support.
Hell a commander allowing you to spam Conscript + PPSH and incendiary barrage AND KV1, it made my day!
Now I'm not a super ranked Soviet player, don't know how it performs on highest level but I'm making my way to top 200 and I hope soon enough top 100.
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I bought Conscript (with in-game currency) because of that. I wanted to test the KV1 a bit more some weeks ago, was using the Guard doctrine in many games and finally faced a dual pak barrage. I won the game but was concerned about how pak counter so well the KV1, so I had the idea to sneak around the store to see if there was more KV1 commanders and found Conscript Support.
Hell a commander allowing you to spam Conscript + PPSH and incendiary barrage AND KV1, it made my day!
Now I'm not a super ranked Soviet player, don't know how it performs on highest level but I'm making my way to top 200 and I hope soon enough top 100.
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