About Jacksons

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 13:22 PMKatitof

If only there existed a way to kill armored vehicles that would not be a vehicle itself in CoH2....

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 13:46 PMStug life

panzer greens are not at units they still have stg, nade and lack any sort of slow/snare to tanks.
do u get the point ?

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 14:06 PMKatitof

Do Pshrecks decrease AI DPS?

Do Guards PTRS decrease AI DPS?

Answer these two questions.
I will correct you if you make a mistake, so no stress.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 14:07 PMStug life

so if we give the jagdtiger the kt aoe it's not an at unit too ?

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 14:14 PMKatitof

If we give Jackson AoE like sherman, will it still be an AT unit?

(that is a rethorical question, but in case you lack any sort of common sense I will spoil you the answer - no, it will no longer be an AT unit, it will be generalist unit, you know, like god damn ISU is)

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 13:16 PMLeo251

Back to topic plz.
IMO, M36 Jacksons get a double buff in the last patch:
From one hand they get their HP boosted.
But they also get the "indirect buff" of the Panther nerfs, and the Heavy Axis TD damage reduced (elephant and JT).
Thats the reason why we now watch jacksons rounding around the map with almost any proper counter.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 18:27 PMelchino7

Jacksons changes required? Start with taking away rotation, turret rotation, speed/acc.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 04:08 AMFiresparks

then it would just be turning the jackson into the Firefly. We are just digging a deeper grave for variety.

this is why I suggested giving jackson better survivability by giving it smaller size, sight, smoke, and rotation, instead of buffing the HP.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 05:19 AMelchino7

The thing is, i don't think there's gonna be time nor space to test another itineration of what the Jackson is supposed to look like. The Jackson currently is a FF, which is more or less what USF needs for the late game. For cheap, mobile AT, they already have the doctrinal M10. If USF had been thought to have some late game transition, it would probably would had upgrades for the Sherman, but that's has been settle down to be a commander slot.

Right now you are juggling with having a proper TD which can tackle heavy armor vehicles, while not been 2 shotted by them (which was basically the reason Jackson went to 640HP instead of either 560HP/600HP). Maybe 600HP should be tested, since the heavy long range TD had been nerfed against mediums, but there's so much HP you can reduce if the tank is meant to cost 400mp 140f purely AT.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 05:22 AMFiresparks

And turning the Jackson into a slow ponderous TD is a serious 180 degree departure from its original incantation and how US TD were suppose to work.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 05:22 AMFiresparks

And turning the Jackson into a slow ponderous TD is a serious 180 degree departure from its original incantation and how US TD were suppose to work.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 04:08 AMFiresparks

then it would just be turning the jackson into the Firefly. We are just digging a deeper grave for variety.

this is why I suggested giving jackson better survivability by giving it smaller size, sight, smoke, and rotation, instead of buffing the HP.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 18:48 PMStug life

or just nerf the range so it remains a chaser/runner TD unique to usf but pak/jagdp4 works as a counter as they out range it (rak still cries in the corner)

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2018, 19:07 PMKatitof

Outside of super heavies, TDs are NOT meant to counter other TDs so that suggestions is pointless.
You can creep with both, PaKs and Raks. Don't be so terrified of using any other micro then a-move.