instead of adding a fifth man to grenadier

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2018, 09:27 AMZansibar

Honestly id like to see them get a 5th man but also a cost increase ofc.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2018, 22:39 PMmondeogaming1

this will be too OP if they take 5 men squad i would decrease the accurance and their rifles damage Plus more popcap and manpower

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2018, 23:02 PMullumulu

how can be grens op when there are IS with double vickers, 5model terminator squads in game?
and dont tell me the brit mg is weak....its must be buffed since last patch, it supress mostly instantly few squads...and make more dmg than mg42

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 00:26 AMAceOfTitanium

I find it super funny how infantry sections start with 4 models and come on top in a 1v1 with a gren most of the time (better base squad) and they then can upgrade to 5 man squads and then get double weapon upgrade and they are cheaper to reinforce (28 manpower) than grens are (30 manpower). Not to mention that after the early game you will lose every engagement versus IS unless you blob or have your infantry in heavy cover with sniper support...

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 00:26 AMAceOfTitanium

I find it super funny how infantry sections start with 4 models and come on top in a 1v1 with a gren most of the time (better base squad) and they then can upgrade to 5 man squads and then get double weapon upgrade and they are cheaper to reinforce (28 manpower) than grens are (30 manpower). Not to mention that after the early game you will lose every engagement versus IS unless you blob or have your infantry in heavy cover with sniper support...

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2018, 23:02 PMullumulu

how can be grens op when there are IS with double vickers, 5model terminator squads in game?
and dont tell me the brit mg is weak....its must be buffed since last patch, it supress mostly instantly few squads...and make more dmg than mg42

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 10:24 AMmondeogaming1

Dude dont think of british only personalyl i hate british they are insanly OP i am a USF player but dont think only british if 5 men squad pop cap reduced and manpower reduced PLUS 5 men squad in grenadiers then riflemen would have no chance

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 10:22 AMmondeogaming1

and how did your p4 got buffed its pen and fuel reduced and its same price as cromwell and its better in every way its MG its pen vs tanks and vs infantry and cost the same

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 11:08 AMVipper

PzIV is not better than Cromwell in every way.

Cromwell has far superior mobility.

The tank commander give it the unit better accuracy and better sight.

The penetration of the PzIV is only better at max range and Cromwell has better penetration closer.

Cromwell 135/120/105
PzIV 125/115/110

I would personally choose the Cromwell over the PzIV in most cases.

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 11:08 AMVipper

PzIV is not better than Cromwell in every way.

Cromwell has far superior mobility.

The tank commander give it the unit better accuracy and better sight.

The penetration of the PzIV is only better at max range and Cromwell has better penetration closer.

Cromwell 135/120/105
PzIV 125/115/110

I would personally choose the Cromwell over the PzIV in most cases.

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 12:05 PMAceOfTitanium

As you can see the pz4 is really only good if you have two of them or if it is supported by stugs/paks. Seeing as the pz4 feels so meh for what I am paying I normally only get it if I'm not sure if the enemy is about to field some armor himself. If I'm sure he isn't I would much rather go ostwind or if I'm sure I'm lagging behind in tech/map control I much rather go for a stug.

I would also choose a cromwell over a pz4 for the reasons already said plus that the cromwell has smoke shells as well as the emergency war speed and can even get vehicle tracking...

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 15:23 PMmondeogaming1

Yes but p4 has more armor 180 cromwell 160

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 15:25 PMullumulu

allie tank could have 0 armor...if the p4/ panther cant hit anything on the move..than the opponent armor is irrelevant

you dont need armor, when you cant hit..

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 15:27 PMmondeogaming1

dude USF has only that ability to not miss in the move which is preatty good but shemrans cant pen a lot of tiems stugs and p4 and stugs has 140 armor PLUS all the other factions have the same penalty on the move so yeah not big problem and USF doesnt even ahve htat storng tnaks only jackson spam in the late game but i always get rifle company so i could use useful shermans

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2018, 15:35 PMEsxile

That's just more noob friendly, this is why the majority of noobish Axis players are asking for it. In a fight average/good players already always stop before firing. Microing a sherman or panther that's the same principle, you do not want to jeopardize your dps with a 75% or 65% chance to hit.

Sometime I hope Coh3 brings reverse change on this matter, papermade Pz4 that have 75% chance to hit on the move and armored sherman with 65%, and see the same people coming here as crybabies because their tank don't pen enough..